Harmon Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 i was looking at this one and would like to know if anyone has tried them. the guys on the black rifle forums speak highly of them harmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn jones Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 you get what you pay for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M'Lady Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 I am not so sure it is a good idea. A friend of mine got one for his AR, very similar to the one you are referring to. He was never able to zero it. It just didn't zero. Needless to say, he ended up getting a real Aimpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 you get what you pay for. +1 Still pleased with my Aimpoint Micro's, got one on my Tanfoglio and one on my rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff686 Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 I wouldn't put one on my open gun, but I would get one for my AR, 22 pistol, 22 rifle, or carbine. I MIGHT try one of the new Bushnell Trophy micro style sights on a race gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasmap Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 I have a buddy who has one and it is dead nuts accurate. Of course he only shoots sporadically so I have no idea if this optic can be durable or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 Buy it from the guy that came up with it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 Buy it from the guy that came up with it... If they all did that, then what would anybody put in your C-more mount ?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted May 2, 2009 Author Share Posted May 2, 2009 I have seen bad aimpoints too....real aimpoints from sweden.. just curious if all the copies are bad... Harmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRBean Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 (edited) Check out Vortex Optics and their Strikefire scope. It cost more than the Aimpoint clones but less than the real Aimpoints. http://www.vortexoptics.com/riflescopes/vi...-dot-riflescope Edited May 3, 2009 by JRBean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokshwn Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 +1 on the recommendation of Vortex....lots of good experience out there. Scot at http://www.libertyoptics.com is top notch when it comes to customer service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Products that do the same thing tend to resemble each other even if they are developed independently or old ideas are improved. However to go to great pains to make a product appear identical is dishonest. I am sure the importer's lawyers managed to skirt U.S. laws but it dosent change the fact it is slimey and dishonest. Neither does the fact Vortes websight sticks US flags everywhere to trick people. There is no mention on the Votex websight about where the sight is made, which to me translates to China, a place I have no interest in sending any money. Especially through a dishonorable company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokshwn Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 (edited) Thread drift.....just for discussion. I didn't see a single flag on Vortex website with the exception of the flag indicating there US offices. Claims made by manufacturers as to where their product is produced, manufactured, assembled, etc. tend to be misleading at best....check out this thread. http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthread...t=14&page=1 Edited May 3, 2009 by smokshwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted May 3, 2009 Author Share Posted May 3, 2009 hmm. seems there are many copies of the sight...i guess that would be why opinions of aimpoint copies vaires so much. Harmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasquatch981 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 I have a buddy on this forum as a matter of fact that has the Vortex. He used it at the last Tac-rifle match we had and he did really well. The sight stayed zeroed through at least the 200+ rounds of .223 he shot that day. The only problem I see with the sight is the fact that the dot is not all that bright. I would say on the Vortex's Highest setting, it was about 1/3 of the brightest on my Comp ML2. Seeing as we shoot in bright sun "sometimes" ok just once per year here in the great "Northwet" it may washout on the targets. However, I too am curious about the Aimpoint Micro Clones. I was thinking of putting one on my AR with .22 conversion. But after seeing the Vortex, I am concerned about the dot brightness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Waring Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 I was curious about these scopes too. The Micro knock-off would be cool on a .22 pistol. I was wondering about dot brightness, as I had heard many of them were dim. I bought a DR sight replica and you can hardly see the dot outside at all. Inside on an airgun would be all that one would be good for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-JQ- Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 You don't take your Ferrari to Pep Boys for parts...or do you? I'm just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Not too long ago a forum member posted a thread because he noticed someone at a match trying to sell a open gun sight mount that they had made. This forum member recognized the mount as a copy of a mount invented by another forum member. The whole BE community was up in arms about this travesty. All wishing fire and brimstone down upon the head of this interloper who dared produce this copy. Wanted posters were printed, flyers sent out, dead or alive notices disseminated. (Ok I exaggerated the last sentence.) My point being some of these same people that were so outraged are now discussing Aimpoint knock offs as viable options. So when is it ok to steal someone else's design and when should we be outraged ? When is it ok to buy one of these stolen designs and when should we warn everyone about the stolen design ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 +1 Copying someone's design without authorisation is theft, buying it is the same is endorsing that theft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff686 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Not too long ago a forum member posted a thread because he noticed someone at a match trying to sell a open gun sight mount that they had made. This forum member recognized the mount as a copy of a mount invented by another forum member. The whole BE community was up in arms about this travesty. All wishing fire and brimstone down upon the head of this interloper who dared produce this copy. Wanted posters were printed, flyers sent out, dead or alive notices disseminated. (Ok I exaggerated the last sentence.) My point being some of these same people that were so outraged are now discussing Aimpoint knock offs as viable options. So when is it ok to steal someone else's design and when should we be outraged ? When is it ok to buy one of these stolen designs and when should we warn everyone about the stolen design ? At what point does it transition from a 'unique design' that is being copied/stolen to an industry standard form factor that is universally acceptable? Optic form factors are very ubiquitous. No one complains that Simmons stole the shape of Leupold's scopes, or did they? They don't complain that Burris stole their red-dot design from Tasco, or did they? How about JPoint and Doctor, aren't they Tasco knockoffs? Truth be told, Intelectual Property laws are very clear on what is 'stolen' and what is not. The poor home inventor not withstanding, usually those laws are successful in protecting a companies interest. I don't think that the little micro sized scopes are illegal, and are therefore not stolen. However, if they steal the circuit boad design, or the optic coating techniques, or any other feature that is patented or copywrited or trademarked, then it is theft. If I need a Ferrari, I'll pay for an Aimpoint, cause they make some of the best stuff. But I'm not going to when a Ford or Mazda will work the same for me. Just food for thought, not meant in an argumentative tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted May 15, 2009 Author Share Posted May 15, 2009 Theft - The unlawful appropriation of property without the effective consent of the owner with the intent to deprive the owner the use of the property. its not theft, its just not ethical. if its been patented its a civil matter. back on topic. what would be the highest quality aimpoint knockoff? Harmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff686 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 (edited) back on topic. what would be the highest quality aimpoint knockoff?Harmon OK, sorry about that... The guys on ar15.com have said a lot of good things about the one from Primary Arms. However, I'd seriously consider the new one from Bushnell. $144 from opticsplanet.com. A friend bought their holosight for his AR and is very happy with the value proposisiton. Edit: nice thing about it over the Aimpoint, is that you can mount it on the left side at 90 degrees. Close the the slide, but away from the ejeciton port. Should be easy to make a mount for it. http://www.bushnell.com/general/riflescope...phy_73-1303.cfm http://www.opticsplanet.net/printable-bush...dot-731303.html Edited May 15, 2009 by Jeff686 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Capizzo Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 I sure wish this new Bushnell dot came with a larger than 3 MOA dot. Thats LEEETLE! Also, does anyone know if the weaver base comes off on this sight? It looks to be part of the tube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry cazes Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 Theft - The unlawful appropriation of property without the effective consent of the owner with the intent to deprive the owner the use of the property.its not theft, its just not ethical. if its been patented its a civil matter. back on topic. what would be the highest quality aimpoint knockoff? Harmon Harmon, not quite sure where this thread is headed. Is this search for an Aimpoint replacement driven by cost savings only? Are there other aspects of the Aimpoints that don't fit your needs? I am a BIG user of Aimpoints on both handguns and rifles. If cost is the issue, why not just buy one of the many used Aimpoint sights out there? No flame...Just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Capizzo Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 Theft - The unlawful appropriation of property without the effective consent of the owner with the intent to deprive the owner the use of the property.its not theft, its just not ethical. if its been patented its a civil matter. back on topic. what would be the highest quality aimpoint knockoff? Harmon Harmon, not quite sure where this thread is headed. Is this search for an Aimpoint replacement driven by cost savings only? Are there other aspects of the Aimpoints that don't fit your needs? I am a BIG user of Aimpoints on both handguns and rifles. If cost is the issue, why not just buy one of the many used Aimpoint sights out there? No flame...Just wondering. The used Aimpoints that I see are very nearly as much money as a new one. Where do you find a reasonable price on one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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