Nik Habicht Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 Just say no.It's stage management. Point the competitor at the nearest safe table, and get the next one going. If I'm the next competitor you're likely to get a "Not Ready" from me...... You'll be moving down the line for a while. Bottom line --- running a stage successfully requires a certain level of cooperation between ROs and the squad of shooters. Don't want shooters bagging/unbagging on the line? Probably best to request that at the beginning, when you're reading the walkthrough. Most (hopefully all) will cheerfully comply. Get someone with brainfade --- deal with it. Is having that person step down really the best way to move the process along, given that the next competitor may not be ready? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 (edited) Well if push comes to shove, I'll send the shooter to the safety area and my crew will take a break until he/she comes back. That way we prevent the "not ready" situation. Bill I know you did that shot deliberately. I had eye strain for about 4 hours over that. Edited August 22, 2009 by Gary Stevens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff686 Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 (edited) Coming from someone with a chronic back problem, that normally feels fine but flairs up after unexplained stress, I can't believe how anal you guys are being about it. It takes about 5 seconds, at most, to bag or unbag the gun. I've seen some shooters take longer than that just checking and rechecking their dot and doing their little pre-stage ritual. You all seem to put up with that without complaint. Safety aside, do we really want to be so anal and inflexible that we make people feel unwelcome and take all the fun out of it? Safety first, then fun! Otherwise, what's the point? I bag between every stage. It helps keep my back out of pain, keeps my belt around my waste instead of ankles, and gives me more time to paste and set targets, load magazines, and generally participate in a positive manner. If I was asked to go to the safety area to re-bag, or kicked out of the lineup because my gun was in a bag, I wouldn't make a big thing of it. However, I would then also add that RO to the list of people that I prefer to avoid, instead of people I want to spend time with. Plain and simple. Edited August 22, 2009 by Jeff686 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecutts Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 What Jeff said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 I have had zero problems carry a gun rag in one hand and a timer in the other. Same here. I've done it many times. The transfer is another story. I had a shooter that I went to give the gun rug back to...he thought I was gonna hold it for him while he put his gun in it. We didn't almost drop the gun, but it did light up our radar real quick. THAT's scary. I'll have that in mind next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 I don't have a problem with it, but there can be a good bit of time lost at majors. Think of this... 10s x 200(shooters)/60 = 33mins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 I have had zero problems carry a gun rag in one hand and a timer in the other. Same here. I've done it many times. The transfer is another story. I had a shooter that I went to give the gun rug back to...he thought I was gonna hold it for him while he put his gun in it. We didn't almost drop the gun, but it did light up our radar real quick. THAT's scary. I'll have that in mind next time. Well Kyle and Mark, I guess you guys know more than me... I've had to stop a shooter from sweeping me and the gallery a couple of time and was glad that I had a free hand to do it. Once I even had to grasp a wrist... I would have had a hard time doing that with a timer in one hand and a rug in the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 I don't have a problem with it, but there can be a good bit of time lost at majors. Think of this... 10s x 200(shooters)/60 = 33mins That assumes that every single competitor is bagging on the line. I've never seen more than a small sample of shooters ask to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 I have had zero problems carry a gun rag in one hand and a timer in the other. Same here. I've done it many times. The transfer is another story. I had a shooter that I went to give the gun rug back to...he thought I was gonna hold it for him while he put his gun in it. We didn't almost drop the gun, but it did light up our radar real quick. THAT's scary. I'll have that in mind next time. Well Kyle and Mark, I guess you guys know more than me... I've had to stop a shooter from sweeping me and the gallery a couple of time and was glad that I had a free hand to do it. Once I even had to grasp a wrist... I would have had a hard time doing that with a timer in one hand and a rug in the other. I hold it in my hand and can drop it if needed. It's not stapled to my palm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 I have had zero problems carry a gun rag in one hand and a timer in the other. Same here. I've done it many times. The transfer is another story. I had a shooter that I went to give the gun rug back to...he thought I was gonna hold it for him while he put his gun in it. We didn't almost drop the gun, but it did light up our radar real quick. THAT's scary. I'll have that in mind next time. Well Kyle and Mark, I guess you guys know more than me... I've had to stop a shooter from sweeping me and the gallery a couple of time and was glad that I had a free hand to do it. Once I even had to grasp a wrist... I would have had a hard time doing that with a timer in one hand and a rug in the other. I hold it in my hand and can drop it if needed. It's not stapled to my palm. I hear you Mark, but it's not for me... sometimes shit happens so fast that I feel better not having to deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 I can see where that might be too much for ya. lol A mans has got to know his limitations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 I have had zero problems carry a gun rag in one hand and a timer in the other. Same here. I've done it many times. The transfer is another story. I had a shooter that I went to give the gun rug back to...he thought I was gonna hold it for him while he put his gun in it. We didn't almost drop the gun, but it did light up our radar real quick. THAT's scary. I'll have that in mind next time. Well Kyle and Mark, I guess you guys know more than me... I've had to stop a shooter from sweeping me and the gallery a couple of time and was glad that I had a free hand to do it. Once I even had to grasp a wrist... I would have had a hard time doing that with a timer in one hand and a rug in the other. I hold it in my hand and can drop it if needed. It's not stapled to my palm. Stapled to my palm, must be a Georgia thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 I can see where that might be too much for ya. lol A mans has got to know his limitations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 All cats should be removed in the safe area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 The 5 seconds at the line argument works both ways. If it takes 5 seconds while I'm clearing you, it would take about the same for you to walk over to the safe area and bag it yourself. Again, in the Nationals, Area matches and Sectionals I've RO'ed/CRO'ed, I'll tell you that you're not bagging on the line because the crews I've been on, we want to move folks through quickly, so that they can get on with their day, and we can get a rest before the next squad comes on. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 All cats should be removed in the safe area. Now that's funny right there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 I'm with SA Friday. The Armageddon sandstorm on day two at HDC showed how quickly and safely a squad can bag and unbag. Almost every shooter on our squad either had a bud hold their gun rug while they shot or they went to the safe area while they were on deck to gun up and then directly there afterwards. It helped a lot that there were safe areas at every area of course. I don't do it under normal circumstances but rain, terminal sandstorms, plagues of locusts.... I bag it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff686 Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 The 5 seconds at the line argument works both ways. If it takes 5 seconds while I'm clearing you, it would take about the same for you to walk over to the safe area and bag it yourself. Again, in the Nationals, Area matches and Sectionals I've RO'ed/CRO'ed, I'll tell you that you're not bagging on the line because the crews I've been on, we want to move folks through quickly, so that they can get on with their day, and we can get a rest before the next squad comes on. Rich Oh, I would gladly bag/unbag at the safety area IF it is in the bay. I never realized some places had one in every bay. I've never had that luxury. Everywhere I've been the safety areas are usually a few bays away. I really hope they have one in each bay at the Nationals. That would be so convenient!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 In all the shooters I've run, it's a rare thing to see shooters that bag. Of those, there just isn't a time issue. That isn't even a blip on the radar. If you want to regulate time...then regulate time. Having a gun rag in my hand while RO'ing...not a safety issue. Again, not even a blip on the radar. Heck, I've run plenty of shooters with a timer in one hand and a clipboard/pen in the other...and still never needed to drop my cigar. If you don't like shooters bagging, that is fine. Just go with that. But, I don't think it's a call that gets made at the RO level, by preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecichlid Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 Although I rarely shoot outdoors I have one of the Shooters Connection gun covers which will be going to the nats with me. If things get dusty enough I need to bag the gun between stages I will use the cover on the line then move to the safety area then bag right after my run and get my butt back in gear to paste and reset the stage. If things get bad enough the gun cover isn't cutting it I have shower caps in my range bag from all of my travels. Extras shower caps will on sale in the safety area, prices yet to be set. Joe W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigar Guy Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 Having a gun rag in my hand while RO'ing...not a safety issue. Again, not even a blip on the radar. Heck, I've run plenty of shooters with a timer in one hand and a clipboard/pen in the other...and still never needed to drop my cigar. Kyle, You are indeed a man after my own heart, and you clearly have your priorities straight. Safety, timer, clipboard, cigar, check . . . RO ready! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 Scott, If you dropped one of your cigars...that might be a fire hazard! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampleworks Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 That 5 second idea is wonderful if its a shoot in the box stage. Move 20 yards down range and that 5 seconds turns into sixty by the time you show clear, holster, then walk back to the bag and then unholster and bag it (of course under direction of the RO)...now you're at several hours in the course of 200 shooters. I have enough to worry about while running the timer...holding a gun rug certainly isn't one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 Ok. If I may... what if I come to the line with a stuff sack in my pocket and at HDH I drop the gun in the soft, thin bag, like a small nylon stuff sack? I can't see how it would take more than a moment to dig it out of my pocket and drop her in. Then I can transfer it to the bag for transport. The RO isn't carrying my bag, its not affecting my performance, and the gun gets bagged and out of the elements. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbean Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 All cats should be removed in the safe area. Cats are always armed, and unlike guns, cats can go off without warning or provocation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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