Cigar Guy

Tony, Yes, race holsters are legal in IPSC for Classic Division. Scott

When I tried to download the document using a link in this thread, it also required downloading a reader program. Along with the reader program came a piece of malware called conduit, which resets the home page on all browser programs to its own home page, an internet search engine. Besides the search engine replacing the home page, it also adds a new default search engine to the tool bar on each browser on your system. (Different name, so you think it is not the same company.) Conduit is apparantly ad supported, because all sorts of stuff pops up on the screen that is related to previous searches or web pages accessed. It apparently takes information from your system and transmits it to conduit. It also redirects your searches to its own advertising clients. Even after removal, it still leaves pieces in your system. I am in the process of trying to fix all this on my computer right now. What a royal PITA! Internet Explorer is still trashed after removal of conduit. I cannot get it to access any web page now. If I were the original poster, I would attach the file to this thread in a recognized word processing format, and not require someone who wants to read it to risk downloading questionable software. A moderator should probably disable the link as well.

This must have been some time back, because the current IPSC Handgun rule book no longer has Rule 8.7.4. The current rule is 8.7.2, which sets penalties during the walkthrough period of course inspection for using firearms, replicas, or firearm parts as sighting aids, not towels. The US had a similar rule about ten years ago for having anything in your hands during the walkthrough. I think that rule was taken behind a berm at a major match late in the year and executed, because it was gone by the next shooting season. I know that rule continued in the IPSC rulebook unchanged for a few years. You still can't take a sight picture in IPSC, but that is rule 8.7.1, and requires a firearm if you read the definitions of "sight picture" and "aiming." As to the OP's concerns, there are several good threads here dating back to 2009 or so, from just before the match which has been known as the IPSC qualifier match, or more recently, the IPSC Nationals. This year's match is in October at Frostproof, and is presumably the match to which you refer. There will likely be another thread about rules differences this year also. Some of the past threads have included some longer posts that detail all the rules differences. I would check this forum topic last year around September to find the most recent. As has been mentioned in this thread, the RM & MD both conduct a shooter's meeting to assist the shooters with unfamiliar rules. The primary ones are no sight pictures, even after "Load and make ready," which is the IPSC command that starts the course of fire, no stepping out of the shooting area to shortcut a turn or corner, and no gun parts in your hand during a walkthrough (i.e., magazines). As a range official at these matches, I try to do everything I can to let USPSA shooters know about these rules before they shoot a stage. It's really not too much different. See you at the match, Scott

Cool, Warren got his own thread. Not much of a birthday present, but still kind of neat. Happy Birthday!

I use the same combination as Mark on my Dillon 550, and it has resulted in 99+% of the problem cases working fine in my STIs. Those that don't work generally have a rim problem. I actually had some case head separations early on with Glocked brass and a 200 gr major load with Clays powder. Not a recommended combination, and that was before the change to the EGW/Lee die combination that I now use. I had thought about getting a Redding GRX die and modifiying the post to send cases through head first, but trying to do any volume of cases on a single stage press either mouth first or head first makes me cringe. I may still try that for really problematic cases, but it would never be high volume for me. I could see sorting through the culled rounds during the winter months.

Ummmmm----NO. Appendix D4 9. Maximum ammunition capacity Yes, maximum 10 rounds loaded in any magazine after the start signal You can have 11 rds in your "load" mag. Assuming you load the gun (1 in the chamber, 10 in the mag) before the start signal. Look at the date of the quoted post. It is nine years old. That was the correct ruling at the time the post was made. You quoted the current rule book correctly. Just another problem with resurrecting an old rules thread. Carry on.

Yes it was. I wasn't there to see it but they told me about it. I talked to several really experienced ROs about that event afterwards, with more than 100 years of collective major match officiating experience. No one had ever heard of that happening before, with any type of firearm. Just goes to show you can't run on autopilot. Second or third "Make Ready" should be limited to making sure the lock is off the holster, fresh magazine in, and round is chambered. Oh yeah, and a sight picture if you want it. But definitely not a "dry" fire.

I think I was the RO when that happened. Area 5 in 2011, right? It was definitely an odd experience.

I told you we should have gone!!! You and Jake both should have come. It's great weather and a fun match. A little hot today, but the breeze kicked up frequently. Feels nice to get sunburnt in April.

Stages are attached in close to a final format. These may be revised slightly before next weekend, but are done on round count and relative layout. Stage update on Tres Banditos. BACKDOOR.ppt OLDSALOON.ppt STARBARS.ppt 09-09.pdf BOOTHILL.ppt Hickock Standardsstage.doc BACKALLEYS.ppt Tres Banditosstage.doc

There will be awards if there are at least five in division or class. Due to the number of late entries, some of these will need to be ordered after the match and mailed. The prize table is minimal at this point. There may be more coming, but as of this point, no one should expect any prizes this year. I was attempting to build a prize table entirely with donations, but a number of other factors have adversely affected that.

I talked with Scott at A3 and he will be WAIVING the late fee on this due to the late announcement and our need for shooters in this match. You will see that registration has been updated and we currently have 32 shooters but it would be nice to have 30 more. Get your entries in and let's make this a fun match. I'll also be spreading the word at the two local matches this weekend. I'm only waiving the late fee for people who sign up in time for us to get the registrations into the scoring software by the match. That means you either need to hand it to me this weekend, or mail me something so that I have it in hand by Wednesday. I am not waiving late fees for people who show up on match day and want to shoot.

Thought I would let everyone know that we have the Kansas Sectional match scheduled for August 21-22. The match will be held at the Mill Creek Rifle Club in Desoto, Kansas. It will consist of eight stages with an Old West/Kansas cowtowns theme, with approximately 200 rounds. The match proceeds will be used to purchase a complete steel challenge set and a trailer that we can take around the state as a portable steel match. I have attached a match application for anyone who wants to attend. I'll try to have the stages up in a couple days. We're also in the process of setting up a section web site at www.kssection.org but it is not quite ready yet. This match weekend is the same as Minnesota and Illinois. That was not intentional but due to late scheduling with the host club. We will work with anyone who wishes to attend one or both of these other matches. Most competitors will shoot on Sunday. All staff will shoot on Saturday, along with any competitors who need to be elsewhere during the main match day. Go ahead and make a full Midwest match weekend and shoot all three! Scott Hattrup KS Section Coordinator section_entry_form.doc

That is the same weekend as the Area 3 match in Nebraska.

Mike Allee dba Gunsmithing Only is nearby. His number is 913-722-6606. Not sure what his wait time is for something like that.

Chris, Check with Trey Small at twosmall at sbcglobal dot net for the schedule at The Bullet Stop. I believe they shoot on Friday night at an indoor range in Wichita. I just became the KS section coordinator and need to become more familiar with the match schedules outside NE KS, or I would answer directly. Best, Scott Hattrup

Another option is Randy Brockman. He usually just works on 1911s and is setting up his own machine shop near Cole Camp, MO. Mobile 913-645-9739

I think it would be helpful to consider why reloading from a pocket would even be considered a procedural, and why it was likely added to the rule book. As many have pointed out, it is considerably slower for most to get a magazine from a pocket. It is not a competitive advantage in most cases. It is a way of dealing with the practice of pocketing a magazine with near squib loads in an attempt to gain a reshoot if things don't go well in a course of fire. Consider this situation. Shooter whacks a no shoot or two, and then dumps an almost full big stick, reaching into his rear pocket for a magazine. Miraculously, Mr. Unlucky has a squib with the second round fired after the reload, and is hoping the RO will stop him and he will get a reshoot because the bullet has barely exited his barrel. Suppose instead that the RO merely raises a single finger and allows the shooter to continue, indicating a procedural for reloading out of the pocket. The RO might also send the shooter to the chrono with that magazine if it is being run at that match, or could potentially DQ Mr. Unlucky for unsportsmanlike conduct. Which of those three options will most likely be used?

The brass at the Nationals and most Area matches is donated to the ROs running the stage. I saved one piece of the brass, but it is 6.5 Grendel necked up to .30 cal, running a 125 gr bullet. I didn't ask the particular load, but Daniel or Robby would probably give you more information if you asked directly.

Mark did handle it well. He was one of the cooler DQs I have ever had to handle. I hate to see that any time it happens, but he stuck around to help the squad for at least the rest of Stage 5 and Stage 6 next door, and likely some others. As the guy standing behind him with a timer, there is a bit of pucker factor to go along with any dropped gun, but a bit of relief when you realize it is a Glock. Like another poster said, with a Ghost especially, you learn to use the lock any time you move.

Might I suggest that one of the DQ'd shooter's buddies work with him on the five-step draw? Start slowly (about 25% speed) and make sure hands and fingers are in correct position for the first 100-200 repetitions before moving to any faster speed. He has obviously been doing things incorrectly for some time. After the draw is corrected, then work on getting the finger out of the trigger on the load. After that, then he should think about coming back to matches. Five step draw: 1) Grip, finger straight along trigger guard, safety on, thumb high against slide over safety. 2) Lift, finger should curl into position on frame, thumb remains in same position. 3) Rotate, muzzle towards target, fingers should start this step as in Pos. 2, and can move on way to Pos. 4. 4) Extend/smack hands together, muzzle should go STRAIGHT towards target, not dip or hit the sky, thumb safety can come off and finger prep trigger for shot by the end of this step. 5) Sights/press.

Sounded like a bump fire, not an AD. Besides that, the first shot was right on target.

You might also try a Lee "U" sizing die, which will resize your brass .001" tighter than other dies. These will iron out the Glock bumps on the cases and eliminate one potential cause.

Nope, that was you and I at A-7. No harm, no foul. Michael. Wow, the description just seemed very similar to the A7 call. Did you find some keepers for your belt?

The double drop turners were designed based on an old rule which made single appearance targets disappearing, but two or more exposures not disappearing. The obvious question was what happens if you have a malfunction after activating the target but before you can shoot? That rule was removed a few years ago. The rule, 9.9.1, is now, "Moving scoring targets which present at least a portion of the highest scoring area when at rest following the completion of their designed movement, or which continuously appear and disappear, will always incur failure to shoot at and/or miss penalties (exception see Rule 9.2.4.4)." Continuous movement is defined based on when the target starts moving until it naturally comes to rest. It is not dependent on how long one or all shooters take to complete the course of fire.