nwb01 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 I drove 11 hours through snow storms to get there......... Shot the match, immediately left and drove through snow storms for another 14 hrs !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Sherman Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Its really interesting to read these forums. We, those of us who participate in the shooting sports, may be our own worst enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCC-1 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 I can only speak for myself but the stages were very good. I walked out at 1830hrs with 5 stages left and a 2.5hr ride ahead of me. I ride alone and I had been up since 4AM. Started 90 minutes late and the way the match was run caused delays like I have never seen before. I have only missed 2 of these matches since 1999 and will not go back.My 4" 625 will have a 5" barrel in 2 weeks. Anybody want to buy night sights, pm me Please let the MD know your concerns about the match, it can only make it better next year. It doesn't do anybody any good to bitch about what you didn't like on here. Craig is a member on here but this isn't the place to do it. I shot on the Friday PM squad. Were there delays....Yes, no more than any other match I have attended. I have never organized a match of this size, but I am sure it is much more difficult that most of can imagine. I applaud the crew for a job well done. If people followed the rules in the rule book and S&W's range rules, I would suspect a vast majority of theses DQ would not have happened I experienced nothing at this match that would prevent me from attending again. I do not agree that " It doesn't do anybody any good to bitch about what you didn't like on here" In fact it does me plenty of good. I was planning on attending this match but opted out for the Florida Open instead. Sounds like i made a good decision and i will definitely remember this post when deciding which matches to attend next year. My personal opinion is that this is EXACTLY the place to air the laundry. You are not going to read about match problems in the magazines or on the limited "Outdoor channel" coverage....... Like i said its my personal opinion.. i definitely could be wrong... i have been plenty in the past!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSEMARTIN Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 I too, concur with Round Gun Shooter. I'll never shoot this match again--EVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeidaho Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 General Observation here: Pretty much every major match I have ever attended, or read about has some people that say they will never be back. I am sure these are sincere people with issues they perceive to be insurmountable, and aren't just doing it for affect. Yet the same matches keep filling up and keep getting bigger and better every year, and keep churning out great shooting experiences for the majority. I'm not sure I would not go to a match because of something a few people wrote. There are probably 99% of the shooters that had a perfectly great time, but just don't write much about it. YMMVAPD, kr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 YMMVAPD Had to look this up. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSEMARTIN Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 I am sure these are sincere people with issues they perceive to be insurmountable, and aren't just doing it for affect. Ken, Don't you care about my feelings? Don't you want to know what happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glshooter Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 I had a great time and thought the match was excellent. It seems some people are upset that a match actually adhered to the rules and held the competitors accountable. Others are upset that there were minor delays. I don't see how shooting 13-14 stages in about 5 hrs can be anything to complain about. That's pretty quick if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr4406pak Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 GIshooter, Congrats on your great finish at the Nationals by the way! You were only 13.2 seconds away from being promoted to ESP-Master! Nice job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glshooter Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 GIshooter,Congrats on your great finish at the Nationals by the way! You were only 13.2 seconds away from being promoted to ESP-Master! Nice job! Thanks for the compliment. I'm working on it. Unfortunately having my head up my rear with two non-threats and two Mike's on easy targets kept me from getting bumped up. But the guy who finished first is a very good shooter and has had many near misses himself. He deserves to get promoted. Take care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootingirons45 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Any, open, honest and civil exchange of ideas ought to be welcomed. As long as folks are civil I don't see a issue with agreeing to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 There was a post here on changing the max allowable weight in the rules. I moved it into it's own thread, as it deserves it's own topic...and isn't really about the match. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=80213 - Admin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doncannon Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 (edited) I can only speak for myself but the stages were very good. I walked out at 1830hrs with 5 stages left and a 2.5hr ride ahead of me. I ride alone and I had been up since 4AM. Started 90 minutes late and the way the match was run caused delays like I have never seen before. I have only missed 2 of these matches since 1999 and will not go back.My 4" 625 will have a 5" barrel in 2 weeks. Anybody want to buy night sights, pm me You did not state what day or time you shot but as a working SO for this match I can clearly state that there was no chance to you were squaded on a morning squad and left at 1830 hours with 5 stages left to shoot. If you shot on Saturday, the day of a 2.5 hour delay from the AD, and left at 1830 i'm not sure how you still had 5 stages left as I am pretty sure that we were finished and back at the match hotel by 1915 hrs. Maybe I am remembering wrong. You also stated the the "Stages were very good" On another note, your sig says that you are both an RO and a SO instructor so you of all people understand the need for complete understanding of all Cof's by every competitor proir to actually "making ready" and shooting a stage. To give every competitor an equal and fair chance we made sure that there was complete and absolute understanding of our stage before any competitor started on the clock. With that we only had 2 instances where another squad showed up before our current squad was completed. And that was in 3 days of shooting. JMO YMMV Edited February 28, 2009 by doncannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickB Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Can someone address the question about how the guns were weighed; to the whole ounce, or tenths? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doncannon Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Can someone address the question about how the guns were weighed; to the whole ounce, or tenths?Thanks To the whole ounce, so every competitor had 9/10's fudge factor as I understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSEMARTIN Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 To the whole ounce, so every competitor had 9/10's fudge factor as I understand. That's very fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T Bacus Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 My comments on the match. No shows, I'm not surprised. The weather for my drive up was terrible and I nearly turned around twice. I'm glad I made it but driving that far in that kind of weather, I'm sure a lot of people decided not to risk it. Equipment DQ's. RIF... reading is fundamental. The rulebook is very clear on what you can and can't do to your gun. Your gun weighs too much or your safety doesn't work you're out. As for letting people finish the match for fun after their guns were deemed not within the rules, well that's the MD's call. Nowhere in the rulebook does it say that a gun with a disabled grip safety is unsafe, only that it is a disallowed modification. I think letting the shooter finish the match for fun is well within the spirit of fair play given the expense of shooting the match. Chrono... 25+ years of pistol competition and I don't think I've ever attended a major match where someone didn't complain about the chrono procedures. Most will pass, a few won't. General unhappiness ensues. Hot range Cold bays or what? I don't know, the SO's gave me some instructions, I followed them. It all seemed pretty simple to me Thursday morning. The Courses of Fire. I liked them. I know how hard it is too design good stages for an indoor match. Angles and safe backstops really limit what you can and can't do. I think all involved did a good job designing and presenting the stages. I wish I had done a better job shooting them. The standards were tough but doable. The speed stages were straightforward and there were some stages that used a lot of props to set the tone, like the house in the main range. Running a match is a careful balancing act, you want to give the shooter a challenging set of stages, but at the same time you have a limited amount of time to do it in. Stage Two. I was sorry to see stage two get tossed, then again I understand completely why they did it. I was one of (I think the first) shooter to get hit by a bullet bouncing back. It hit me in the face, directly on the left lens of my shooting glasses; here they are, immediately after I finished the stage... No match director EVER likes to toss a stage. No matter how good the reason it ends up upsetting some of the shooters but when safety is a factor there is no choice. I'll be back next year (but shooting a real gun:) ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Yikes!!! We you wearing glass lenses for safety on a range, or did plastic break like that? I doubt polycarbonate safety rated lenses would have broken from splatter. It's also worth considering some with side shields in case the splatter whacks you when you are not looking straight down range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T Bacus Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Yikes!!! We you wearing glass lenses for safety on a range, or did plastic break like that? I doubt polycarbonate safety rated lenses would have broken from splatter. It's also worth considering some with side shields in case the splatter whacks you when you are not looking straight down range. They are plastic lens. The second shot I fired came straight back at me. It was a full bullet, not splatter. Funny thing is, all the energy was used up breaking the lens, I was not cut, not even a bruise, although the impact was pretty hard. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSEMARTIN Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 (edited) Thank God you weren't hurt!!!! In all the matches I've attended, I've never seen anything like that. Edited March 4, 2009 by CSEMARTIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffwalsh Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 +1 That is a great example why you never take off your glasses at a match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 here they are, immediately after I finished the stage... WOW!! That'll give you a serious case of shudders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 They are plastic lens. The only reason I know what I'm about to say is that I recently did the research for an article on military protective eyewear. The problem with plastic lenses, from a using-them-as-shooting-glasses standpoint, is that if you hit them hard enough they'll shatter, just like glass. The polycarbonate used in quality, shooting-specific protective eyewear won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry cazes Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Yikes! That was about as close to disaster as I have seen yet. Amazing that you weren't injured badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdmoore Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Couple of years back we had a bullet come back from the backstop at an indoor range. There was range personel fixing one of the target return motors, and it hit him on the side of the nose, right next to the glasses. Raised a big welt. He went home. He never came back. That picture has got to be the poster child for getting shooter's rated glasses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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