fp45liberator Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Topic says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I find the 1187 birdshot WAY too violent so I just stick to the 1186 birdshot. Much softer recoil and doesn't beat up the gun or the shooter, just something to think about! KurtM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Run n Gun Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 7 1/2 or 8, 1 1/8oz 3-drams will handle 99% of you bird shot needs. Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwx40x40 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 7 1/2 or 8, 1 1/8oz 3-drams will handle 99% of you bird shot needs.Ed I think I ran into the other 1% at Benning this past weekend. Wish I had some 3 1/4 , 1 1/4, 71/2 or 8's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazmag Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 7 1/2 or 8, 1 1/8oz 3-drams will handle 99% of you bird shot needs.Ed I think I ran into the other 1% at Benning this past weekend. Wish I had some 3 1/4 , 1 1/4, 71/2 or 8's. yuppp glad i had some fiochhi 7 1/2s for the star... worked nicely........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Run n Gun Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Hmm, what choke? I run a Light-Modified and, to the best of my memory, never felt I needed a heavier shot charge. And around here they like to put the occasional BIG, HEAVY (non-regulation) steel targets for us to knock over... Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 I run Estate birdshot in my 11-87, and it rarely misses a beat. I use 1-1/8oz 3DE #7-1/2 Competition loads for most shooting, with 1-1/4 3-3/4DE #4 or #6 Heavy Game loads where extra ooomph is needed (I shoot a sawn-off... no choke ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Dog Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 I shoot what ever is on sale. Yankee Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShooterSteve Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Hey Run n Gun, It will help to have a couple chokes in your bag at the match for different situations. There is not one perfect choke. Tighten it up for heavy steel, and the next stage will be all clays at 8yds. Take one medium choke and find out they are using 3/4" steel plates that high brass #6 won't knock down. So... Like the old Boy Scout Motto- Be Prepared! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwx40x40 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Hmm, what choke? I run a Light-Modified and, to the best of my memory, never felt I needed a heavier shot charge. And around here they like to put the occasional BIG, HEAVY (non-regulation) steel targets for us to knock over...Ed Yes , choke can play a large part in taking steel and that is part of my problem. I was running a cylinder bore fixed choke gun. So, instead of changing chokes I change loads. And before you advise me to get chokes for my gun, I already have others set-up with choke tubes , but this was what I had at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jobob Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I mostly run 1 1/8 #9 3dr, IC choke. Haven't really had problems knocking down steel, even at Ironman. For the bigger matches I like to spend a few extra bucks and get Win. AA target loads, but the Estate works well, too. OTOH, the Wally World Federal #8 works good too. But stay away from the cheap Winchester. I've seen it jam up way to many guns, even pumps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH45 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 I mostly run 1 1/8 #9 3dr, IC choke. Haven't really had problems knocking down steel, even at Ironman. For the bigger matches I like to spend a few extra bucks and get Win. AA target loads, but the Estate works well, too. OTOH, the Wally World Federal #8 works good too. But stay away from the cheap Winchester. I've seen it jam up way to many guns, even pumps! I also saw an 870 pump jam on the cheap, Winchester loads with the aluminum base. The guy borrowed some brass base shells and didn't have any more issues. But, after being at the BOTTOM of one stage, for score, he'd pretty much trashed the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Bond Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Eights are fine but nines are divine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH45 Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 I mainly shoot #8, 3 dram, either AA, or, Remington SPS at the larger matches, but, I usually have some heavy, #6s and some spreaders on my cart for the stages where they have mixed targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d5357 Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Federal 3 1/4 dram, 1 1/8oz 6's, 7's run great in my 11-87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busyhawk Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Winchester AA light target loads 2 3/4 dr., 1 1/8, #9 shot works great in my 1100. I use choke to suit my needs but have never had to use anything other than IC and Modified. Good thing since my slugs (cheap Wolf) shoot well in these chokes too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) RH45 wrote: The guy borrowed some brass base shells and didn't have any more issues. I might be wrong here, but I think what you're actually seeing is a brass plating. The base of the shell is actually steel, I think, and then that has been brass plated. I've got some Winchester AA hulls around the house. I'll have to take a magnet to them just to confirm. I have also seen, I think it was an 870 pump gun jam up tighter than a drum. I don't know if it was because it was being fed cheap shells or what??? . As far as what size birdshot goes, I think I have read some other threads here where if guys are having problems with steel falling, like on a Texas star, some guys will have some #4's on their belts that they will stuff in their guns. I haven't run into any problems using the # 7.5's . Really, you should go out and pattern your shotgun to see how your particular shells and choke combinations will give you performance wise on paper. I mean you do sight in your pistols and your rifles (AR's?), right? Edited December 21, 2008 by Chills1994 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH45 Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 RH45 wrote:The guy borrowed some brass base shells and didn't have any more issues. I might be wrong here, but I think what you're actually seeing is a brass plating. The base of the shell is actually steel, I think, and then that has been brass plated. I've got some Winchester AA hulls around the house. I'll have to take a magnet to them just to confirm. I have also seen, I think it was an 870 pump gun jam up tighter than a drum. I don't know if it was because it was being fed cheap shells or what??? . As far as what size birdshot goes, I think I have read some other threads here where if guys are having problems with steel falling, like on a Texas star, some guys will have some #4's on their belts that they will stuff in their guns. I haven't run into any problems using the # 7.5's . Really, you should go out and pattern your shotgun to see how your particular shells and choke combinations will give you performance wise on paper. I mean you do sight in your pistols and your rifles (AR's?), right? O.K. I went downstairs with a magnet and checked the AAs and SPS and they are NON-magnetic, but, I also checked some Federal, field loads that appeared to be brass, and they DO stick to a magnet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jobob Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 The cheap Wally World ammo, whether Federal or Win., has steel bases. But, for some reason, I've seen lots of problems with the Winchester, but not with the Federal. BTW, the Estate ammo is made by Federal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 My advice is to avoid the Federal stuff from WalMart... it chewed into my shell carrier, causing a horrendous jam: On the right is the Federal ammo with a very square rim (Estate on the left for comparison): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jobob Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Hmm! Must take a lot of rounds to do that. Looks like the shape of the rim has something to do with it. Since the Estate is a little more rounded (even though it's steel and made by Federal) you think it does less damage to the carrier? I shoot a fair amount of Estate, but if I need ammo fast and cheap I run to Wally and get the Federal. My carriers haven't been damaged like that, but then I try to limit my shotgun shooting! (I HATE shotguns!) Well, HATE may be too strong, but I much prefer guns that shoot a single projectile at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Hmm! Must take a lot of rounds to do that. Looks like the shape of the rim has something to do with it. Since the Estate is a little more rounded (even though it's steel and made by Federal) you think it does less damage to the carrier? I shoot a fair amount of Estate, but if I need ammo fast and cheap I run to Wally and get the Federal. My carriers haven't been damaged like that, but then I try to limit my shotgun shooting! (I HATE shotguns!) Well, HATE may be too strong, but I much prefer guns that shoot a single projectile at a time. In all probability this damage had been in the making for a long time, but it came to light when I had the jam shown. Even with the damage, the gun would still run most of the time with Estate shells because of the slightly more rounded rim, but Federal hung up every time. After I reprofiled this area with a file, the damaged carrier worked just fine. Still, I replaced it with a new one, which I also profiled on the inside to reduce the chance of shells hanging up there... something another member here recommended. That, and I inspect this area every cleaning to ensure it does not catch me unawares again. Lesson learned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21232729 Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 7 1/2 shot remington long range express. 2 3/4. its high brass and will work all day long. wally world has it for 12 bucks for 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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