Steve Moneypenny Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Kyle not bad for a newbie in idpa Congrats to those shooting master scores, it isn't an easy accomplishment. I also believe Dirtypool 40 hit it on the head. Low master (shooting around a 90-95 on the classifier) will make B class in USPSA I have done this and know MANY other IDPA shooters that did. 3 of which are members on this forum. Just a thought. I know of a few guys who can shoot the classifier to theri ability, on the last string shoot 5 shots, lay their gun down. wait for 30 seconds. and fire the final shot and STILL make master.... i really think we need a new classificaiton or to atleast update these! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Mink Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Practicing the IDPA classifier is fantastic practice for any of the shooting games. It covers just about anything you will run into: draw, reload, slide lock reload, tac load, shooting on the move, weak hand, strong hand, its all in there. Whats really cool is you can establish a baseline score and improve from there. You can record your strings and know where you need to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GmanCdp Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 sometimes noted.... USPSA shooters will have the tendency to shoot a little lower on the 3rd stage ,due to the difference of the scoring circle as to the oblong square on an uspsa target...look at where the circle is on an IDPA target as to an USPSA target Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberneck Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 You can record your strings and know where you need to improve. It is interesting that you mention this. I shot the classifier in practice today just to get a baseline of where I am and what I need to work on. I found that on the left most target and the center target I was pretty good but on the right hand target I was a bit erratic on all of the strings of fire. IIRC I was down a total of 6 points for the left and center targets for the entire classifier and down 13 on the right hand target. Now I just have to figure out what it means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD45 Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 It means that your draw is cleaner than mine. The first target is usually the bad one for me. The last one is the best one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Mink Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 Probably means you are aiming on the first 2 targets, knowing you hit them because you are calling your shots, then shooting 'at' the 3rd target cause you think you can just throw lead downrange and not aim cause you hit the first 2. (I used to do this a LOT). You can record your strings and know where you need to improve. It is interesting that you mention this. I shot the classifier in practice today just to get a baseline of where I am and what I need to work on. I found that on the left most target and the center target I was pretty good but on the right hand target I was a bit erratic on all of the strings of fire. IIRC I was down a total of 6 points for the left and center targets for the entire classifier and down 13 on the right hand target. Now I just have to figure out what it means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdmoore Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 You can record your strings and know where you need to improve. It is interesting that you mention this. I shot the classifier in practice today just to get a baseline of where I am and what I need to work on. I found that on the left most target and the center target I was pretty good but on the right hand target I was a bit erratic on all of the strings of fire. IIRC I was down a total of 6 points for the left and center targets for the entire classifier and down 13 on the right hand target. Now I just have to figure out what it means. I have the opposite tendency. My left hand target is consistently worse. Couple of variables at play, and you could isolate them to see if you could figure it out, if you care enough to do so. Targets are different heights, might be the order that you shoot them in. Might have to do with your stance. Given the choice, I tend to shoot right to left. Dunno what matters, tho it also wouldn't surprise me that now that I'm aware I may concentrate a bit more when I'm on that target. Guess we'll find out sometime next spring ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberneck Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 I neglected to mention that I am left handed and the right most target is the last one that I engage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Stoeger Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 Aspiring IDPA shooters should just watch Burkett shoot the classifier on his DVD. Watch it every night, then cry yourself to sleep. Eventually it will sink in, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 I am right handed i also shoot left to right, given the choice because our eyes are trained to go that way (reading) that we do from 4-5 yrs and up. I would first look at your feet, does your stance allow equal movement to all targets? (toes of feet pointing to outside edges of target arrays) are your hips transitioning your index from target to target? and lastly are you following through on that last target, that was/is my biggest problem. Good luck in your quest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 I agree that the classifier is good practice because it incorporates almost everything that we do in IDPA. As Mathew said, it gives a good benchmark as to how we are doing. The only downside is that with enough practice at the classifier, you will find yourself shooting master on the classifier but at a match you will be competing against Sharpshooters. That's just the nature of IDPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 I have said this before, but I do not think shooting the classifier is a bad thing...as with any practice session, it should reveal what your weaknesses are and allow you to fine tune that part of your game...when you can consistently shoot Master on the classifier with no real weaknesses, you should be able to compete with the Master shooters in IDPA anywhere...it worked for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genghis Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 First Time (first ever, in CDP) (May): (I don't have the breakdown of points) 49.47 47.86 73.42 Total 170.75 MM Second Time (initial classifier in SSP) (June): My friend and I drove 4 hours hoping to make SS, then four hours back 40.40 - 8.5 (17 down) = 48.90 30.53 - 7.0 (14 down) = 37.53 45.81 - 21.5 (43 down) = 67.31 All 3 of us fumbled the mag on the reload on the third stage Total 153.74 MM (missed SS by 1.01 sec) Third Time (SSP) (November): 32.00 - 8.5 (19 down) = 41.50 24.41 - 7.0 (20 down) = 34.41 44.10 - 21.0 (42 down - 3 misses) = 65.10 Total 141.01 SS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 (edited) Keep going buddy...you will get there... Yuo need to shoot the first third in about 24++ and the 2nd third in about 25++ giving you plenty of room for dropped points on stage 3....then you are there Edited November 18, 2005 by tightloop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireant Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 I also agree that practicing the classifier is good practice. You really need to put the timer on and test whether you are faster right to left or left to right. I'm right handed and had been told it was faster to go left to right. So, that's what I did for a long time. Then I ran a bunch of three target drills from 15 yards going both l - r and r - l. I found out I was on average .5 seconds faster going from right to left. I also had better points that way. Now when I can I shoot that way. It really helps shooting around the right side of cover in IDPA now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 sometimes noted.... USPSA shooters will have the tendency to shoot a little lower on the 3rd stage ,due to the difference of the scoring circle as to the oblong square on an uspsa target...look at where the circle is on an IDPA target as to an USPSA target A trick I used when starting out was to use tape to put a set of "cross-hairs" right on the center of the Alpha/Down-0. Shooters that aren't used to the targetw will often go for center-of-mass...which can put their hits low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 Great Tip flex! it reminds me that my dry fire targets have the -0 or A actually traced with a thick black marker! Looks like Expert won't be far off if you keep doing what your doing man Congrats on moving up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtis108 Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 My last IDPA classifier was SSP, 88.32 I just switched to USPSA and after my first 4 classifers I'm now a solid C shooter. It kind of hurt my feelings But each month in the USPSA matches I finish with the A/M class shooters. I'm just a bad test taker SGT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 SGT, I had the same problems for quite some time, i spent what seemed like forever getting out of B class then a year in A class USPSA because of switching divisions and bad, very bad classifier perofrmance. I would get excited, nervous and all that push it on the classifier and crash badly. Shoot the classifier like any other stage of the match. Practicing standing static drills does help a good bit in speed and clean motion for classifiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Perez Posted December 25, 2005 Share Posted December 25, 2005 (edited) here's my small contribution from 12/24/05 SSP (w/2d Gen G17 and WW "white box" ammo from wally world). Stage 1 s1=2.65 s2=2.51 s3=2.33 s4=4.65 s5=3.52 s6=6.9 s7=5.61 PD(1)=+0.50 T=28.67 Stage 2 s1=3.80 s2=3.82 s3=9.95(slide didn't lock back) s4=5.29 PD(5)=+2.50 T=25.36 Stage 3 s1=13.10 s2=15.38 s3=6.63 PD(17)=+8.50 T=43.61 Total=97.64 just barely breaking into SSP Master by 1+ second! Edited December 25, 2005 by Mark Perez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D2006 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Hi All, Like Matt said it is great practice, don't practice the classifier to be good at the classifier but to improve all skills, I shoot it every week as practice. SSP/ESP----Best 69.80 total, Av--74sec total ESR----------Best a few weeks ago 79.70 total, Av--84 total SSR---------working on it, Av 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Hi All, Like Matt said it is great practice, don't practice the classifier to be good at the classifier but to improve all skills, I shoot it every week as practice. SSP/ESP----Best 69.80 total, Av--74sec total ESR----------Best a few weeks ago 79.70 total, Av--84 total SSR---------working on it, Av 80's. D2006 Great times! Wow. And...Welcome to the Forums. (Who is this masked man?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 That is fast..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lneel Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Here's mine from 12-23-05. Pretty nice Christmas present to make MA, if just barely. Glock 34 with KKM fairly tight barrel... Stage 1 s1=2.15 s2=1.95 (just a bit too fast, missed head) s3=2.12 s4=4.76 s5=2.85 s6=5.67 s7=3.59 PD(9)=+4.50 T=27.59 Stage 2 s1=3.76 s2=3.58 s3=7.81(really go to work onthis) s4=4.51 PD(17)=+8.50 T=28.16 Stage 3 s1=13.69(missed one, cr@p!) s2=13.69(no not a mistake) s3=5.12 PD(19)=+9.50 T=42.00 Total=97.75 45 total points down really sucks but I still made it. Now where is my SV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwmiket Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Great job Lee!! Hope to see you at a few matches this year. Some Weds. nite you should come shoot the outdoor IDPA stuff down at Elm Fork. Keep up the good work!! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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