00bullitt Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 I have first hand knowledge from a few FAMS who compete with us down here that the pilot responsible for the AD/ND was not a "HE". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 I have first hand knowledge from a few FAMS who compete with us down here that the pilot responsible for the AD/ND was not a "HE". I'm not sure what the sex of the idiot matters, but okay. US Airways... more bang for the buck. ~boo~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Pictures... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 eh .... a little Bondo & some touch-up paint should be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00bullitt Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 I have first hand knowledge from a few FAMS who compete with us down here that the pilot responsible for the AD/ND was not a "HE". I'm not sure what the sex of the idiot matters, but okay. It doesn't matter......stupid is as stupid does regardless. Just every reply to this thread referenced he or him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 I have first hand knowledge from a few FAMS who compete with us down here that the pilot responsible for the AD/ND was not a "HE". I'm not sure what the sex of the idiot matters, but okay. It doesn't matter......stupid is as stupid does regardless. Just every reply to this thread referenced he or him. Point taken.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFlowers Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Shouldn't Flight Deck Officers carry frangible loads? While this AD happened under 10K, and while a hole over 10K won't cause explosive decompression it still ain't a good thing. Plus in a hostage situation you could easily have shoot throughs. Anyway, the Officer was stupid regardless of sex, and their actions were definately not good for the program. Regardless of what the media ninnies say, guns don't just go off, so my -- assumption -- is that the officer was returning the pistol to the lock box and needed an RO yelling "FINGER!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Not sure frangibles would make a difference when it hits the thin metal skin of an aircraft. Anyone know for sure ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 (edited) Not sure frangibles would make a difference when it hits the thin metal skin of an aircraft. Anyone know for sure ? With the cockpit door being reinforced, I see no reason they shouldn't have an empty chamber... it doesn't take but a second to jack the slide. I know I'll probably get jumped on for that opinion, but clearly, something proactive needs to be done to insure the program continues and that the passengers are safe. Also, training needs to be looked at for this individual and the program itself. Edited March 27, 2008 by JThompson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFlowers Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 JThompson, There is nothing wrong with Isreali Carry. Like most things it has its pros and cons, as far as I can see its always just been a matter of training and personal choice. However, I don't see Flight Deck Officers getting enough training to be comfortable doing a slide rack under pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Ho Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Does anyone know what kind of gun it was. Someone said a USP, if it was a USP How in hell do you accidently pull a fairly stout double action trigger, like the one on a stock USP? I can understand a inexperienced shooter touching off a round when they have a 1.5 lbs. trigger but a double action takes effort. Not only was this pilot doing something stupid, he/she had to work at it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 (edited) Does anyone know what kind of gun it was. Someone said a USP, if it was a USP How in hell do you accidently pull a fairly stout double action trigger, like the one on a stock USP? I can understand a inexperienced shooter touching off a round when they have a 1.5 lbs. trigger but a double action takes effort. Not only was this pilot doing something stupid, he/she had to work at it! 40 caliber H&K USP http://www.hk-usa.com/usp_general.html It doesn't say whether or not this was a DA only version, which is what you would think they would carry. Edited March 27, 2008 by JThompson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 All it takes is finger on the trigger, and a quick jolt (maybe some turbulence) and BANG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerba Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 I think Boyd should really rethink his opinions: "At that altitude, you puncture the skin of an airplane, it's going to go down. They were very lucky," Boyd said. I think he's been watching too many movies. Boyd said the only way he can surmise a gun going off in flight is if it was not properly stored. The only way?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 It doesn't say whether or not this was a DA only version, which is what you would think they would carry. I shot a match a while back with a pilot. Had a HK USP Compact 40 DAO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Man Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 It doesn't say whether or not this was a DA only version, which is what you would think they would carry. I shot a match a while back with a pilot. Had a HK USP Compact 40 DAO. Same here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00bullitt Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 It doesn't say whether or not this was a DA only version, which is what you would think they would carry. I shot a match a while back with a pilot. Had a HK USP Compact 40 DAO. Same here. Yes.....the FFDO's are issued HK USP compact .40's with the LEM trigger module which is a DAO type trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 It doesn't say whether or not this was a DA only version, which is what you would think they would carry. I shot a match a while back with a pilot. Had a HK USP Compact 40 DAO. Same here. Yes.....the FFDO's are issued HK USP compact .40's with the LEM trigger module which is a DAO type trigger. Damn B... how the hell did she manage to set that thing off? What is the DAO trigger pull on that HK anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 According to this link here: http://www.crimefilenews.com/2007/12/tsa-a...ety-of-air.html The gun was padlocked through the trigger guard to a holster, supposedly, like this: Also, according to this CNN link here: http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/26/pilot.gun/index.html The FFDO is still described as a "HE". I'm taking what I read on both links with a big grain of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 According to this link here:http://www.crimefilenews.com/2007/12/tsa-a...ety-of-air.html The gun was padlocked through the trigger guard to a holster, supposedly, like this: Also, according to this CNN link here: http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/26/pilot.gun/index.html The FFDO is still described as a "HE". I'm taking what I read on both links with a big grain of salt. Hells bells. I would like to have a good look at that setup. Does that lock go behind the trigger or in front? So much for worrying about them having to chamber a round... it look like they have to spin the dial of a combo lock. Try that under high stress or turbulence, or is that just until they are on the flight deck with the door closed? I wonder if they will ever tell us what really happened there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Pop by McBane's site for a look at some details of this frickin awful holster setup http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 (edited) Whoever designed that holster is the product of a "negligent discharge." Edited March 28, 2008 by EricW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scirocco38s Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 I have it on good authority that he actually pulled the trigger earlier that morning while he was at the range. However, like most U. S. Air flights, the bullet eventually took off over four hours later than scheduled. Now that is funny. sadly accurate but funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcambre Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 In the comments on Michaels page he identifies it as a Desantis FDO. There is also one like it from Galco called the Holster vault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBOpen Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 In the comments on Michaels page he identifies it as a Desantis FDO. There is also one like it from Galco called the Holster vault. It appears they are just providing a product to meet a poorly thought out requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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