Jay6 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 I am fairly new to the game and I hear this a lot. Could someone shed some light on this for me? Sorry if this is a dumb question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sargenv Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 I think this one is 6 rounds at either 7 or 10 yards as fast as you can draw and shoot. At least, that's what it means to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce282 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 A Bill Drill Utilize a single IDPA or IPSC target placed 7 yards downrange from your firing position, Start from the surrender position (both hands above shoulder level, palms facing forward), draw, and fire 6 shots into the A zone. If any shots miss the A zone, the time does not count, so the emphasis is on accuracy before speed. Most shooters consider under 3 seconds a good goal with a self defense handgun and a carry holster, and 2 seconds with a race gun and competition holster. Enjoy. Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 A legit bill drill is surrender start, 7 yards, 6 rounds, all A's to count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay6 Posted February 6, 2008 Author Share Posted February 6, 2008 Thanks guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 A title seach for "Bill Drill" turned this out: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...e=%2Bbill+drill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny hill Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Watch for jerry m. to do one on the outdoor channel soon with a idpa holster & rov. 6 shoots in 1.36 sec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odie Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 It's that drill I do all the time but have only ever done all A's twice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 It's that drill I do all the time but have only ever done all A's twice If that is true, and you're not pulling our leg, then you need to slow it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dunn Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Don't slow down, see more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Don't slow down, see more! I use a C-More and I still think he should slow down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 The Bill Drill was invented by Bill Wilson hence the name. The objective is to learn what you need to see to call your shots at high speed. Its not to empty the gun as fast as you can pull the trigger. A lot of people get to where they can shoot Master splits on a Bill Drill but with lower class hits. Oh and your cold time is more telling than the "squirrel gets an acorn 1.XX" low time record that you get after running BDrills all day. Those fastest run numbers are good data just try to get them the same as your cold. With the correct mindset BD's can make breakthoughs in development. That said sometimes shooting into the bank as fast as you can, gets a person over the hurdles Sometimes you need to "slide around a turn" to learn to drive a racecar at it limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Carlin Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Recently had a discussion with another SGM in the Army concerning the Bill Drill and he was of the opinion that it was Bill Rogers rather than Bill Wilson. I like BSeevers always associated the development of the Bill drill with Wilson's name. Does anyone know for sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Carlin Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Watch for jerry m. to do one on the outdoor channel soon with a idpa holster & rov. 6 shoots in 1.36 sec. Benny I hope to see the shot time analysis of that! I am thinking Draw to shot 1 at say .85? Then 5 shots at .10 splits = 1.35? That is SMOKIN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Gaines Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 The Bill Drill was invented by Bill Wilson hence the name. I believe it was named after Bill Jordan, a revolver shooter, hence the name and the amount of rounds in the gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sslav Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 I find that as a novice it is helpfull for me to elliminate the draw from this drill. Right now I am doing this modified version of the drill using a 1/3 scale IPSC target at 7yards without a timer. I am focus on seeing the sights move and breaking the next shot as soon as the sights settle back in the A-Zone. I will probably start timing myself in a couple of weeks. I am also doing a draw and shoot one drill - also without a timer at this time. My goal is to eventually combine these two into a full Bill Drill. Slav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny hill Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Jerry said about a .70 draw & about .13 splits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Jerry said about a .70 draw & about .13 splits. Damn. How old is Jerry anyway? Is it possible to get faster with age? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Carlin Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Jerry said about a .70 draw & about .13 splits. Benny, Thanks! I asked to try to determine how a shooter gets so fast. His draw smokes the best I have ever had by more than his split! His splits are incredible for a double action. But we all know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Recently had a discussion with another SGM in the Army concerning the Bill Drill and he was of the opinion that it was Bill Rogers rather than Bill Wilson. I like BSeevers always associated the development of the Bill drill with Wilson's name. Does anyone know for sure? Well, did you come to the right place for an answer to that! Brian and Robbie were actually the guys who coined the term "Bill Drill". The story, according to Brian, goes that one day he and Robbie were out at the range and they saw Bill Wilson, standing in front of a target at seven yards, drawing, firing six, holstering, drawing, firing six, over and over again. So they wandered to find out what the hell he was doing. Bill informed them he'd come up with this drill to work on both speed from the holster and accuracy. Robbie and Brian thought was just the coolest idea ever they'd ever heard, instantly dubbed it the "Bill Drill" and the rest is history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Carlin Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Duane, Thank you, I seem to recall hearing that story long ago. But he seemed quite confident that it was Rogers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Recently had a discussion with another SGM in the Army concerning the Bill Drill and he was of the opinion that it was Bill Rogers rather than Bill Wilson. I like BSeevers always associated the development of the Bill drill with Wilson's name. Does anyone know for sure? Well, did you come to the right place for an answer to that! Brian and Robbie were actually the guys who coined the term "Bill Drill". The story, according to Brian, goes that one day he and Robbie were out at the range and they saw Bill Wilson, standing in front of a target at seven yards, drawing, firing six, holstering, drawing, firing six, over and over again. So they wandered to find out what the hell he was doing. Bill informed them he'd come up with this drill to work on both speed from the holster and accuracy. Robbie and Brian thought was just the coolest idea ever they'd ever heard, instantly dubbed it the "Bill Drill" and the rest is history. That's what I said. Bill Jordan was not a IPSC shooter. I could see Bill Rogers being considered, but it was Bill Wilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el pres Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Sometimes you need to "slide around a turn" to learn to drive a racecar at it limit. Wow, that sums it up really well. I'm really feelling that statement... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 But he seemed quite confident that it was Rogers. No offense to your friend, but it's possible to be "quite confident" and still be wrong. As in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz1911 Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 I never really appreciated the "Bill Drill" until this thread. Now I remember it's benefits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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