Alan Meek Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 At Blackwater, I was told to stay away from a 1911 in any caliber other than .45 as that was the way the gun was originally designed to run and anything else was flawed in design. I am in this quest to find something my wife wont mind shooting. I have pretty much decided my best bet is going to be a SS 1911. I tried her out on the Glock as they always seem to run and the operations/controls are relatively simple enough for a new shooter to get broken in with. Wellllllllllllllllll would it suprise anyone if the woman has taste and doesn't like the Glock for some reason? She likes the fit and feel of the Trojan I have in .40, says it just drives to the target for her, she likes the trigger, and the feel of the grips. So I was contemplating ordering her a Stainless Trojan in 9mm from Brazos. Just kind of looking for some sound advice before I make that plunge.Thanks in advance! They weren't entirely wrong. They're used to talking to people who only buy factory guns. The 1911 and 45 ACP were designed for each other. Later the 38 super for sure and I think the 10mm were designed for the 1911. The issue is COAL and fitting. Factory 9mm and 40 S&W are too short for the gun and require a shim in the back of the magazine, and as we all know the magazine is already the weak link in any pistol. The 1911 is without question the simplest and the best pistol ever designed, but it's parts require fitting. The large manufacturers bent on cost saving - Colt, Kimber, Springfield, S&W, etc., all just want to slap CNC machined parts together. Often the parts are outsourced, so their not even controlling the manufacturing process. Worse, Kimber only makes a 45 and 40 breechfaces. I've seen new Kimber 9mm pistol where the extractor wasn't even touching the case rim. So, whereas fitted parts as necessary to some extent for 45ACP and 38 super reliability, unless you're lucky enough to stumble upon a factory 9mm or 40 that actually runs, fitting on those is critical. I would expect them to run coming out of a semi-custom shop like Les Baer, Wilson Combat, etc., but not at all off the self. Thread DriFt History lesson. The prototype gun that preceded the 1911 was chamberd in 38 Auto. But the US Gov't coming off the battle with the Moors (Sp) in the Phillipines and the ineffectivness of the 38 Special were not interested in a 38 Caliber and therefore the design was changed to the .45 ACP. Later the 38 Auto round was ballistically improved and ala the 38 Super Auto was born. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgunz11 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 They weren't entirely wrong. They're used to talking to people who only buy factory guns. The 1911 and 45 ACP were designed for each other. Later the 38 super for sure and I think the 10mm were designed for the 1911. The issue is COAL and fitting. Factory 9mm and 40 S&W are too short for the gun and require a shim in the back of the magazine, and as we all know the magazine is already the weak link in any pistol.The 1911 is without question the simplest and the best pistol ever designed, but it's parts require fitting. The large manufacturers bent on cost saving - Colt, Kimber, Springfield, S&W, etc., all just want to slap CNC machined parts together. Often the parts are outsourced, so their not even controlling the manufacturing process. Worse, Kimber only makes a 45 and 40 breechfaces. I've seen new Kimber 9mm pistol where the extractor wasn't even touching the case rim. So, whereas fitted parts as necessary to some extent for 45ACP and 38 super reliability, unless you're lucky enough to stumble upon a factory 9mm or 40 that actually runs, fitting on those is critical. I would expect them to run coming out of a semi-custom shop like Les Baer, Wilson Combat, etc., but not at all off the self. What about the Trojan? I am super impressed with the one I currently own in .40S&W. I showed her the stainless model and she really liked it, but I worry about function, especially where she is concerned, a poor performing gun would hamper her desire to shoot. Clearing malfunctions is not something I want to focus on at the first range session. What about known magazines. Are the McCormick .38Super mags the go to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrawandDuck Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 ...and maybe you won't zero another rifle stage. Yea, POI a LITTLE off and I zeroed 1 of the two stages....but I did not finish LAST (9th out of 16) and do you remember who was 10th????..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 A most enjoyable web site I recommend to your attention: SightM1911 must reading for 1911 fans. Did you know a 1911 pistol took down a Japanese airplane during WWII? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagus Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 A most enjoyable web site I recommend to your attention: SightM1911 must reading for 1911 fans. Did you know a 1911 pistol took down a Japanese airplane during WWII? Awesome story. I thought these where fun too. Texas Ranger Joaquin Jackson Texas Ranger Joaquin Jackson who spent the later part of his illustrious career looking after the harsh, massive Texas Big Bend Country, packed a Colt .45 auto throughout his distinguished career. When asked why he carried Colt's .45 Government Model, he replied in typical Ranger fashion... 'Because they don't make a Colt .46!' Texas Ranger Charlie Miller A citizen noted the hammer back on the 1911 carried in the waist band by Charlie Miller, Texas Ranger. The Citizen asks, "Isn't That Dangerous?" Charley replied, " I wouldn't carry the son of a bitch if it wasn't dangerous." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 MEMBERSHIP UPDATE GS1 THE GRAND SNOB 1 - Merlin 2 - ZH 3 - Aikidale 4 - Steve J 5 - Gentleman Jim 6 - Mark S18138 7 - IMA45DV8 8 - Alan Meek 9 - Catfish 10 - BONA-FIDE VACANT BOZ1911 (from delinquent to ENFORCER) 11 - Gman Bart 12 - Ladyinblue 13 - CSE Martin 14 - Fortyfiveshooter 15 - Nemo 16 - DMS42 17 - MiddleMan 18 - Airedale 19 - Benny Hill 20 - Carmoney (?) 21 - Sethmark 22 - Both-Ways Bill Nesbitt (He's watching you...) 23 - P.E. Kelly 24 - ddj8052 25 - 6-shot 26 - Dan Sierpina 27 - Grandbagger 28 - j1b 29 - Scout454 30 - Game Player 31 - Michigan Shootist 32 - Lighteye67 33 - MoDoc 34 - Skywalker 35 - ExiledViking 36 - SV SHooter 37 - Steel 1212 38 - Slabbie Shooter 39 - 38Superman 40 - YSued (Director of Photography) 41 - Vagus 42 - 9x21 43 - Dubletap 44 - kgunz11 45 - RESERVED 46 - Krautwagen 47 - Supercomp9 48 49 50 Welcome aboard SC9! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Man Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 ...and maybe you won't zero another rifle stage. Yea, POI a LITTLE off and I zeroed 1 of the two stages....but I did not finish LAST (9th out of 16) and do you remember who was 10th????..... Yeah, yeah I finished 10th...largely due to my poor AR magazine insertion skills ...I hate being the first shooter on a stage and having a serious case of brain freeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz1911 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Boys, Boys, Boys...........This thread is about single stack snobbery, not freaking rifle stages or Z's imfamous foam partees'...........let us get back to being snobs and making fun of people who don't understand and admire JMB's design......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Boys, Boys, Boys...........This thread is about single stack snobbery, not freaking rifle stages or Z's imfamous foam partees'...........let us get back to being snobs and making fun of people who don't understandand admire JMB's design......... It's not about the snobbery, it's about the 1911! The finger pointing at the target is not the target.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Man Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 (edited) Well, I had been rocking along reloading my single stack so well that day (wow that last mag is wayyyy back there on the belt), I was greatly disappointed with my poor showing with the larger (should have been simpler) AR mag... Why is it that an action that you can perform so well on that smaller scale turn into a nightmare when you scale up the objects involved? Isn't it all the same in the grand scheme? Edited March 28, 2008 by Middle Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 To respond to the inquiry about a Single Stack Forum or Sub-Forum, I had asked for one a long time ago when it was announced that SS was going to be a provisional division. The response was, the 1911 platform is not unique like a glock or open gun, and was covered by the Limited/Limited-10 forum. No sense in fighting city hall But, yesterday, our SSES Club went from being a 99% humor thread to some very good exchange of information. I like that, and see the opportunity for us to continue to use this thread as an informational sharing site. I think a good mix of humor and info is very healthy. Well done boys!!! Carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMS42 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 To respond to the inquiry about a Single Stack Forum or Sub-Forum, I had asked for one a long time ago when it was announced that SS was going to be a provisional division. The response was, the 1911 platform is not unique like a glock or open gun, and was covered by the Limited/Limited-10 forum. No sense in fighting city hall But, yesterday, our SSES Club went from being a 99% humor thread to some very good exchange of information. I like that, and see the opportunity for us to continue to use this thread as an informational sharing site. I think a good mix of humor and info is very healthy. Well done boys!!! Carry on! There seems to be alot of interest in the Single Stack, maybe more now than when you asked the first time. It might be worth a second try -- at least as a provisional forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout454 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 What about the Trojan? I am super impressed with the one I currently own in .40S&W. I showed her the stainless model and she really liked it, but I worry about function, especially where she is concerned, a poor performing gun would hamper her desire to shoot. Clearing malfunctions is not something I want to focus on at the first range session. What about known magazines. Are the McCormick .38Super mags the go to? Bobby, If you get a .40 you can use the same load you use for major with 180's but substitute a 155. Drops the PF down to 140 or so. Still accurate, bigger holes than a 9 and when she gets used to it you can load it up to major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve J Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 What about the Trojan? I am super impressed with the one I currently own in .40S&W. I showed her the stainless model and she really liked it, but I worry about function, especially where she is concerned, a poor performing gun would hamper her desire to shoot. Clearing malfunctions is not something I want to focus on at the first range session. What about known magazines. Are the McCormick .38Super mags the go to? Bobby,If you get a .40 you can use the same load you use for major with 180's but substitute a 155. Drops the PF down to 140 or so. Still accurate, bigger holes than a 9 and when she gets used to it you can load it up to major. If it coughs after you buy it, send it to Virgil Tripp or Benny Hill or... you get the idea. Fitting. Reliability treatment. Tuned magazines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrawandDuck Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 (edited) Boys, Boys, Boys...........This thread is about single stack snobbery, not freaking rifle stages or Z's imfamous foam partees'...........let us get back to being snobs and making fun of people who don't understandand admire JMB's design......... 200 Days PROBATION for BOZ!! Funny man trying to be SERIOUS.... Back to your dark lair...Evil one. Edited March 29, 2008 by Merlin Orr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrawandDuck Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Merlin, it took me 15 minutes to post that....the Holiday Inn here in TX is running a little SLOW.....don't spoil my fun!!! PS...If you are at the Holiday Inn go down stairs and I will buy you beers..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 I did not make it... Work.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz1911 Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Ducky, Ducky, Ducky.............probation days are over, I am reformed (for now) and co-chair of the probation committee. Not a bad try though for a SOB, now go fill those 38 cases up and irritate some RO's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrawandDuck Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 I am reformed (for now) and co-chair of the probation committee. Blah, blah, blah, blah....that is what ALL the convicted felons say at their parole hearings!! Almost time to head to the range....dang, I thought TEXAS was supposed to be WARM!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgunz11 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 MEMBERSHIP UPDATEGS1 THE GRAND SNOB 1 - Merlin 2 - ZH 3 - Aikidale 4 - Steve J 5 - Gentleman Jim 6 - Mark S18138 7 - IMA45DV8 8 - Alan Meek 9 - Catfish 10 - BONA-FIDE VACANT BOZ1911 (from delinquent to ENFORCER) 11 - Gman Bart 12 - Ladyinblue 13 - CSE Martin 14 - Fortyfiveshooter 15 - Nemo 16 - DMS42 17 - MiddleMan 18 - Airedale 19 - Benny Hill 20 - Carmoney (?) 21 - Sethmark 22 - Both-Ways Bill Nesbitt (He's watching you...) 23 - P.E. Kelly 24 - ddj8052 25 - 6-shot 26 - Dan Sierpina 27 - Grandbagger 28 - j1b 29 - Scout454 30 - Game Player 31 - Michigan Shootist 32 - Lighteye67 33 - MoDoc 34 - Skywalker 35 - ExiledViking 36 - SV SHooter 37 - Steel 1212 38 - Slabbie Shooter 39 - 38Superman 40 - YSued (Director of Photography) 41 - Vagus 42 - 9x21 43 - Dubletap 44 - kgunz11 45 - TGO??? 46 - Krautwagen 47 - Supercomp9 48 49 50 Welcome aboard SC9! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 (edited) I'll vote for that. edited to add "But he has to submit the application" Edited March 30, 2008 by AikiDale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMS42 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 As much as I like and admire Robby I would rather have John B. Browning as number 45 -- at least until the membership got up close to 1911. But if not John then TGO would be my choice also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 (edited) I can't stay away any longer. I need to come home. Here is my well used 1911. I have not shot any SSD yet, but this pistol got me to "B" Class in Limited and L-10. I was deployed until Jan 08, and now I'm waiting to see the surgeon for my elbow. I will shoot SSD this summer with a little luck. Can I play with you Cool Kids? (edited for spelling) Edited March 30, 2008 by North Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasmap Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 I still haven't applied because I compete in SS with a .40s&w. I own a .45 but I don't compete with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 (edited) I still haven't applied because I compete in SS with a .40s&w. I own a .45 but I don't compete with it. 40 single stacks--Heresy! Edited March 30, 2008 by North Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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