Gameplayer Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 No political discussion please. Being new to USPSA, could someone outline (or point me in the right direction) as to how the Assault Weapons Ban affected the USPSA in those years. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 Like paying $75 for a high capacity glock magazine that now goes for $17.99 (and did before the ban as well)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gameplayer Posted January 12, 2008 Author Share Posted January 12, 2008 Like paying $75 for a high capacity glock magazine that now goes for $17.99 (and did before the ban as well)? So, you could use a high-capacity magazine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revchuck Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 Like paying $75 for a high capacity glock magazine that now goes for $17.99 (and did before the ban as well)? So, you could use a high-capacity magazine? Sure, as long as standard capactiy mags were still legal in your state. (High capacity 9x19 Glock mag = 33 rounds. Standard = 15-17. No flame intended toward vluc, I just hate using the antigunners' terms.) L10 was created due partially to the AWB, and Production was limited to ten rounds in the mag after the beep due to it, or rather due to the fallout of some states keeping the ten round limit after the AWB's sunset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 No political discussion please.Being new to USPSA, could someone outline (or point me in the right direction) as to how the Assault Weapons Ban affected the USPSA in those years. Thank you. In some states that enacted copycat AWBs of their own, the grandfathering provisions were removed, effectively turning thousands of law-abiding gunowners into instant felons..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokshwn Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Limited 10 and the 10 rd. limit in Production are still with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlmiller1 Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 The AWB in most states did not make the owning, buying, or selling of full capacity mags illegal. What it did was to make it illegal to manufacture & sell to civilians full cap mags. This of course drove up the cost of big mags for everyone. I was shooting matches with a $400 glock & had $1100 worth of mags in my bag. That wasn't the case in a few states where it was also illegal to buy & sell the mags & in at least one, you had to block off the mag to only hold 15, I think. This was only the case in a few states, maybe less than 5, I can't remember for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 The AWB in most states did not make the owning, buying, or selling of full capacity mags illegal.\True, but: 1. NJ did - 15 round limit 2. HI did - 10 round limit 3. CA requires that the pre-ban magazine must have been personally possessed by the individual, in CA, prior to the Caliban. Even pre-ban mags may not be legally sold or purchased. MA and NY are as described - pre 1994 mags are still OK, although you need the right kind of gun license in MA as > 10 round mags are regulated and may not be legally possessed unless your papers are in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gameplayer Posted January 13, 2008 Author Share Posted January 13, 2008 The AWB in most states did not make the owning, buying, or selling of full capacity mags illegal. What it did was to make it illegal to manufacture & sell to civilians full cap mags. This of course drove up the cost of big mags for everyone. Let me see if I got this right. It was not illegal for a gunshop to sell his/her supply of full capacity mags he had on hand to civilians? But when that supply ran out, all he/her could sell would be ten round mags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 (edited) The AWB in most states did not make the owning, buying, or selling of full capacity mags illegal. What it did was to make it illegal to manufacture & sell to civilians full cap mags. This of course drove up the cost of big mags for everyone. Let me see if I got this right. It was not illegal for a gunshop to sell his/her supply of full capacity mags he had on hand to civilians? But when that supply ran out, all he/her could sell would be ten round mags? Yes P.S. Mags could be sold and resold over and over just no new ones made Edited January 13, 2008 by BSeevers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Rusert Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 AWB = Average White Band? Sorry, couldn't resist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SA Friday Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 The AWB in most states did not make the owning, buying, or selling of full capacity mags illegal.\True, but: 1. NJ did - 15 round limit 2. HI did - 10 round limit 3. CA requires that the pre-ban magazine must have been personally possessed by the individual, in CA, prior to the Caliban. Even pre-ban mags may not be legally sold or purchased. MA and NY are as described - pre 1994 mags are still OK, although you need the right kind of gun license in MA as > 10 round mags are regulated and may not be legally possessed unless your papers are in order. I believe MD still has a 20 round mag capacity law on the books, but I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gameplayer Posted January 13, 2008 Author Share Posted January 13, 2008 Thanks everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Limited/reduce supply. Barriers to entry (into the market). Smaller market, less competition = less choice and higher prices. General public comes away with partial info...thinking guns are illegal, hassle, expensive, etc. Certain terms take on a negative meaning (assault weapon, black rifle, etc). Politics enter in as reasons or justifications for things...true or not. (I like 10 round divisions for the shooting challenge, some are really opposed to them because they see it as a political challenge.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtypool40 Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 The AWB in most states did not make the owning, buying, or selling of full capacity mags illegal. What it did was to make it illegal to manufacture & sell to civilians full cap mags. Let's clarify that. Unless you are in the Military and swear off your civil rights for the UCMJ, you are a civilian. I laugh when some tacti-billy local cop starts in with a dissertation on how "civilians" (not him) do that or can't do this or that. Easy Roscoe, we respect your athoritay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlmiller1 Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Ok, perhaps I used the wrong word. Military & LEO could have "new" full cap mags during the AWB in most states. They were not allowed, legally, to sell their mags. Also, at least the glock mags issued to LEO were permanently marked on the mags "leo only" or something like that. There was also no law preventing gun shops selling mags, they could not buy from the manufacturer full cap mags built after 94. If they had NOS or found a warehouse full, they could sell them as long as the date made was before 94. In other words the AWB was a great inconvenience to uspsa shooters, it made prices for mags way high & increased the costs of getting rigged up to play but since it had a time limit built into it, it wasn't devastating to the game. At least that is the way I see it. MLM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyZip Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 What I want to know then, what about all the 13-14 rd. mags that I have had for years? I cant find any stamp at all on them that proves they were made before or after the ban. How can anyone prove one way or the other that my mags are pre or post ban? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Only a civilian would ask a question like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 The AWB in most states did not make the owning, buying, or selling of full capacity mags illegal. What it did was to make it illegal to manufacture & sell to civilians full cap mags. Let's clarify that. Unless you are in the Military and swear off your civil rights for the UCMJ, you are a civilian. I laugh when some tacti-billy local cop starts in with a dissertation on how "civilians" (not him) do that or can't do this or that. Easy Roscoe, we respect your athoritay. Oh, I don't know about that: civilian: noun. A person following the pursuits of civil life, especially one who is not an active member of the military, the police, or a belligerent group. A person who does not belong to a particular group or engage in a particular activity. A specialist in Roman or civil law. Informal. anyone regarded by members of a profession, interest group, society, etc., as not belonging; nonprofessional; outsider: We need a producer to run the movie studio, not some civilian from the business world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 What I want to know then, what about all the 13-14 rd. mags that I have had for years? I cant find any stamp at all on them that proves they were made before or after the ban. How can anyone prove one way or the other that my mags are pre or post ban? Mags manufactured for Law Enforcement Only during the ban were so stamped. If your mags are not stamped LEO they are ante-ban or post-ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Run n Gun Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Didn't all magazines manufactured during the ban require a "date stamp" on them? Of the many, many different magazines I have it seems that the ones that are "pre-ban" have no date, the mags manufactured during the ban seem to be all dated and many bought after the ban are NOT dated. Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadetree Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Didn't all magazines manufactured during the ban require a "date stamp" on them? Of the many, many different magazines I have it seems that the ones that are "pre-ban" have no date, the mags manufactured during the ban seem to be all dated and many bought after the ban are NOT dated.Ed No many marked them LEO (law enforcement only) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Para had a ton of magazines stockpiled in a customs warehouse prior to the 1994 AWB. At the time they had no single stack guns at all. Some distributors still have grandfathered magazines , 14 years later, they will sell in NY and probably Mass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Carlin Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Immediately after the farce ended with the AWB sunset I bought several "LEO only" marked magazines for each of several guns acquired during the ban. The sunset simply deregulated them all! We are now faced with a determined effort to include more in the next meaningless restrictive legislation. A pox on those who would ban guns or their magazines I say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Note: After it was pointed out that we were making some speculation(?) on activities that were outside the books...and after talking it over with the Moderating Team...we have removed some posts from this thread. I may have cracked this door open on another thread. If you see that, or anything similar...PM me and we can clear that out too. - Admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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