lynn jones Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Subject: Fwd: Must see if you are concerned with home security The bad guys are always thinking .. Must see .... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6776147818181114423 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Two words: Medeco Abloy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer-lock Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 (edited) AND...you can buy the most common key sets on e-bay, just search under "bump keys". Sleep well, David C Edited October 18, 2006 by geezer-lock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carinab Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Anyone else notice the "expert" guy's name and title? The technical staff for the news station must be fans of Douglas Adams. Although, maybe that's a towel on the shelf behind him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Two words: Medeco Abloy Three letters ; HID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Two words: Alarm System! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Three words: Smith And Wesson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Get a dog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn jones Posted October 19, 2006 Author Share Posted October 19, 2006 Get a dog! got both dogs and s&w thank you very much! as do we all.. i hope. lynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Don't worry about it. 99% of all locks on houses today have been able to be opened in less than a minute for more than 40 years, yet about zero bad guys do it. The bumping stuff is interesting only in that it works on more higher-security locks (though not all of them). Bumping a Schlage or worse yet a Kwikset is a waste of time and perfectly good key blanks. Long ago I worked as a locksmith... picked entries of any sort were very very rare. Bricks are much quicker and easier to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Get a dog! got both dogs and s&w thank you very much! as do we all.. i hope. lynn I have to admit I assumed we all have guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chp5 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Bumping a Schlage or worse yet a Kwikset is a waste of time and perfectly good key blanks. Shred - does that mean those are bump resistant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 No I think he means they can be open with a dull butter knife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTOSHootr Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Don't worry about it. 99% of all locks on houses today have been able to be opened in less than a minute for more than 40 years, yet about zero bad guys do it. The bumping stuff is interesting only in that it works on more higher-security locks (though not all of them). Bumping a Schlage or worse yet a Kwikset is a waste of time and perfectly good key blanks.Long ago I worked as a locksmith... picked entries of any sort were very very rare. Bricks are much quicker and easier to learn. +1 They basically do what a pick-gun does. Part of our business is forensic locksmithing, and even though we only do 100% automotive locks that are completely different, I ordered a set for the hell of it. If what the news show say is true, the difference between bumping and picking would be that picking leaves distinctive marks. Get a "reactive" dog (pc term) and an alarm system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moverfive Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Don't worry Lynn......you are in the "safe" part of Memphis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihatepickles Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Bumping locks is actually pretty old news. I guess it's easier today to get the tools, but you had the same problem 50 years ago and you didn't know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinMike Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Locks are just there to keep honest people honest. Reminds of me of years ago when I had a Geo Tracker and the stereo got stolen. Had an alarm and it was a rag top. They broke the driver side window and pretty much crow-barred out the whole center of the dash (almost $2000 dollars damage for a $100 stereo!) Probably did it in under 10 seconds and the alarm was no deterent. I asked the cops why they didn't just unzip the window and open the door. He said because breaking windows is more fun! Guess the same thing applies to houses. Why monkey around picking a lock when a paver stone gets you instant access? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Beyond that, many houses (like mine) have glass somewhere near a door - break window, turn lock is much faster than pick or bump or whatever, and you're not carrying around a set of tools that allow the police to build some kind of case against you if you're caught away from the scene (or on the way to it). I need to look at the "reactive" dog answer... The wiener dogs are great alarm systems, but when it comes to stopping someone who's entered the place... maybe not so good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Bumping a Schlage or worse yet a Kwikset is a waste of time and perfectly good key blanks. Shred - does that mean those are bump resistant? No I think he means they can be open with a dull butter knife. Yeah, Vlad's got it. +1They basically do what a pick-gun does. Part of our business is forensic locksmithing, and even though we only do 100% automotive locks that are completely different, I ordered a set for the hell of it. If what the news show say is true, the difference between bumping and picking would be that picking leaves distinctive marks. Bumping will leave forensic marks, but they'll be a lot smaller and less distinctive than somebody thrashing away with a snapper tool. A real pro doesn't leave much behind when picking or impressioning either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTOSHootr Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Bumping will leave forensic marks, but they'll be a lot smaller and less distinctive than somebody thrashing away with a snapper tool. A real pro doesn't leave much behind when picking or impressioning either. I think you're right and that's what we will be curious to see, but we have microscope setups and guys that examine locks for marks everyday (real CSI shit). Tool mark stuff doesn't really come up anymore because we do all automotive that doesn't need picking either and even then that's all primarily transponder key related nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz-0 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 I think the real concern of bump keys is not higher chances of having a break in, but the news and the internet increasing the odds of having a big old fight over collecting insurance because of signs of forced entry or not. from alarm systems to nanycams to tougher locks, they all accomplish the task of generating more signs of forced entry if it comes to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampleworks Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 I had not previously heard about this. I wonder aside from a full blown electronic type of lock such as HID or similar, if there's any solution to this issue. There's more than a handful of videos on google pertaining to this including a news report from the Netherlands. Interesting how this sounds a lot like gun control. Reporter: Those keysets can be bought online? Locksmith: That is correct. Reporter: Strange, shouldn't that be forbidden? Locksmith: Why, you can't outlaw keys, can you? Reporter: These are special keys that can be used for burglary. Locksmith: Yes, but you can use many things for burglary, like a screwdriver or saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 I had not previously heard about this. I wonder aside from a full blown electronic type of lock such as HID or similar, if there's any solution to this issue. Yeah, any lock that doesn't use the Yale pin-tumber principle (first discovered by the ancient Egyptians, but Yale didn't know that, nor did they know him) of stacked pins and a shear line will be safe from bumping, such as disc locks or lever tumblers or sidebar setups like the twist-pin Medecos or Ace tubular locks (well, they'll need a different sort of bump key) or whatever, but again it really doesn't matter much. FWIW I have ordinary locks on my house, but the good stuff lives in a safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 FWIW I have ordinary locks on my house, but the good stuff lives in a safe. Yep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampleworks Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 One thing that would scare me would be an apartment complex where usually the brand of locks are all the same. Took me about 5 minutes with a triangle file to make one for a Kwikset lock. This is really disturbing. I'm glad I bought a Liberty Colonial this past summer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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