darthdively Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 So it looks like we have a new primer manufacturer based in the South called White River Energetics, LLC. Not much about them online. I found them from a reloading supply online retailer. I honestly rolled the dice and bought some just to see how well they work. Anyone else here have any experience with them and would like to share your experience with these? I did send them an email asking about their product. If I get a response, I'll be glad to share the information. Looks like there is some introductory pricing right now. Roughly the same price as Ginex and Servicios that are being offered online. I figured I would start this thread so some people can follow it as well. Hopefully these will work well and we have another American Made primer source we can rely on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zachjet Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Post a link to them if you could Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthdively Posted October 19, 2023 Author Share Posted October 19, 2023 10 minutes ago, Zachjet said: Post a link to them if you could Here ya go: WhiteRiver Small Pistol Primers Made in USA NEW PRODUCT SALE .06 Each - Republic Ammunition White River Energetics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinholt Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Following to hear more about your experience. I had read they tend to have a depth greater than most primers but still in SAAMI specs but tap dancing on the top edge of that spec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtuns Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Brass prices looked good till the shipping calculated $85 for shipping of 5000 rounds 9MM brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 (edited) How did they sneak in under the radar? We had all sorts of free advertising for Expansion Industries vaporware, never heard of White River. I might think you guys are joshing me when I read that White River Energetics Manufactures: Small, Medium, and Large Pistol and Rifle Primers using the traditional Lead Styphnate process. Medium primers, really, now. Edited October 19, 2023 by Jim Watson Read the advertisement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougCarden Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 A buddy that shoots F class and more got some small rifle to test. They look like a good alternative. He was going to chrono loads and work up a load with them Time will tell but it is good to have more sources for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodybag0 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) I just bought 5k to test out. Edited October 20, 2023 by bodybag0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthdively Posted October 25, 2023 Author Share Posted October 25, 2023 Got them in today. Ordered thursday and arrived Wednesday. Not bad. They look good so far. They do look taller than other primers. I will let you all know how they load and perform once I get some rounds on them. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 more competition is good. local grocery store has winchester spp for $70/k, and I have to get milk anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodybag0 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 I got mine today also. I loaded up about 50 and will use them in a local match tomorrow. I did test the sensitivity in my shadow 2 with extended firing pin. I loaded up 10 empty pieces of 9mm brass and they all went bang. They load good in my Hornady LNL. Primer seating is between CCI and Fiocchi. Primer height is .120ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuey Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 16 minutes ago, bodybag0 said: I got mine today also. I loaded up about 50 and will use them in a local match tomorrow. I did test the sensitivity in my shadow 2 with extended firing pin. I loaded up 10 empty pieces of 9mm brass and they all went bang. They load good in my Hornady LNL. Primer seating is between CCI and Fiocchi. Primer height is .120ish. You have to give a report on your experience with them. I was going to order 5k for my Shadow 2, but was wanting to hear someone’s opinion before I ordered. Yours will be great since we are both using the same type of gun and extended firing pin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugbyrat Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Showing as out of stock on the website at the time of this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodybag0 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 I matched with them tonight and they all went bang. No issues. I still need to shoot them over the crony but they should be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 They have been all over me since I considered their "medium" primer to be a sign of a hoax or scam. I guess I will have to try some as my needs call for a purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudyVey Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 52 minutes ago, Jim Watson said: They have been all over me since I considered their "medium" primer to be a sign of a hoax or scam. I guess I will have to try some as my needs call for a purchase. They maybe meant Magnum....not medium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Well, what he said was Our website designer just happens to not be very experienced in the ammunition industry and made a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthdively Posted October 28, 2023 Author Share Posted October 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Jim Watson said: Well, what he said was Our website designer just happens to not be very experienced in the ammunition industry and made a mistake. Did they find this thread? I emailed them last week but never heard from them yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 I don't know if he got me here or on THR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthdively Posted November 4, 2023 Author Share Posted November 4, 2023 Range Report: Good news. these seem to work really well. I shot 100+ rounds today with 0 malfunction/light strike issue. I'm shooting a Shadow 2. I typically use a 13 lb hammer/main spring because it can pop rifle primers but for the test I went ahead and used a fresh CZC 10lb hammer/main spring. I'm also using a CGW firing pin & spring. All went bang. 60 or 70 was with double action and the rest were with single action. The temperature was roughly 50 degrees starting at the range and warmed up quickly to close to 70 degrees. The indentions were shallow as one might expect. The cups on these primers seem to be pretty soft. While loading 200 I had 7 that did not seat properly while using my dillon 650. I didn't even notice the improper seating during loading on a few of them. I found them during my QC process. 3 or 4 were with crimped primer pocketed brass. Looking through some of the trays i found some primer cups not to be perfectly round. I really had to look hard to find this. So this may be a factor. Performance wise, these are great... so far. The rule of large numbers(samples) are yet to be applied. I hope this was helpful for a lot of you. Shadow 2 10lb CZC hammer spring(never used before today) CGW firing pin & firing pin spring. Good Luck! Shoot strait. Stay safe. Have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 It's alive! Uh, they are real. I got a sample today, with "gear" including cap, shirts, and mug. My comments on "medium" primers got their attention. Thanks, Kenneth. Loading trials tomorrow, firing tests Saturday or Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthdively Posted November 9, 2023 Author Share Posted November 9, 2023 23 minutes ago, Jim Watson said: It's alive! Uh, they are real. I got a sample today, with "gear" including cap, shirts, and mug. My comments on "medium" primers got their attention. Thanks, Kenneth. Loading trials tomorrow, firing tests Saturday or Sunday. You got some free swag??!! I'm jealous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 (edited) When their shipping guy called to tell me my stuff was in the works, he said most of their production is going to ammo companies. He said that he was sending 12 pallets of primers to an OEM in an unspecified foreign country which the state department had certified as unlikely to shoot them at us. Which seems strange considering all the imported primers being sold here. Edited November 9, 2023 by Jim Watson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 I sent them an email a few days ago. Hi Andy, Thank you for your inquiry and interest in WRE's primers. 2024 is sold out for primers other than current OEM customers and new factory customers. We do not directly sell our primers. However, we maintain a limited supply through our distributor in South Carolina. To explore procurement options, I recommend contacting Karen Gerard at Shooter’s World. Her email address is shootersworldsc@gmail.com. If you encounter any difficulties in reaching Karen or have further inquiries, please don't hesitate to contact us. Best regards, The WRE Sales Team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 I loaded some 9mm P with White River SP primers yesterday and shot them today. Mixed brass made evaluation difficult, but I got the idea they were a little harder than WW to seat in cases with tight primer pockets. 91 rounds in three guns; Colt 1991A1, SA Ultra Compact, and S&W Plastic M&P. All fired. Indents were deep. I will load some more and take the UC to a BUG match next weekend. I gave some to a friend, 9mm to shoot in a Glock, primers to load in .38 Special to try in his tuned "Federal Only" Python. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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