Cosby Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 I occasionally shoot an IDPA match with my Gov't model 1911. Since there is not the major power factor of IPSC, I am looking for a soft, clean shooting load with 200 gr. LSWC's. I looked at all my reloading data and am thinking about 4.0 gr.s of WST. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
standles Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 (edited) http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...27964&hl=chrono I like TG for my 45 and 40. Above is a link to a range run I did. If you want to try TG then these should give you some ideas. Steven Edited December 15, 2005 by standles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 I used to shoot 5.5 gr of 231 because I had a bunch of it...it was old, and not too clean, but very consistent and functioned perfectly in my pistol...Still a good load... If you wanted to "game" it a little, you could snip about 5 coils off the recoil spg and run 5.0 of 231...great for up close if there is no steel...Not that I would ever do that myself, but I heard about it a time or two... Couple that with a tungsten guide rod and bushing and it is an A just as fast as you can get on the trigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Jones Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 I mostly use 230 grain RN bullets in .45 ACP, so I can't be much help with selecting a load. However, there is a major power factor that is equal to IPSC, assuming you are shooting in CDP. The tungsten guide rod is a no-no in any IDPA division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Greg You DID see the "gaming" statement in my post did you not...I was just kidding with Cosby, I think he knows there is a power factor and that tungsten parts are verboten.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Jones Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 I did see the gaming statement, but 4.0 grains of WST is not going to be near major PF with a 200 grain bullet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Clays. Season to taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoepop Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Cosby, what class are you shooting in IDPA? 45ACP 1911's usually shoot in CDP class and are required 165,000 PF. If your shooting it in ESP with 125,000 PF you are at a real disadvantage magazine capacity wise. To answer your question 4 grains WST will get you aprox. 150,000 PF(non moly coated 200's) There is no factory published data I'm aware of that goes that low with WST & 200 LSWC's There are a lot of powders out there better suited. If you are shooting it in ESP then play the game and get down to 130PF. You WILL see the bullet as it goes down range. As per above post search the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rharris Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 With 200 LSWC I shoot 4.1 bullseye...Not sure how this works out in PF, but an accurate/controllable load... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosby Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 Hey guys--I just shot my first IDPA match. I am a 25 year shooter in USPSA and very accustomed to "power factors". I previously had never even read the IDPA rules. At my first match, one of the RO's commented that I would like IDPA since I did not have to shoot major power loads. I just read the rules and found out that was incorrect. The old rule applies "never assume you are right or anyone telling you anything is right". I will go back to my USPSA 165 PF loads. Thank you for the replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 (edited) shoot the 45 in ESP and its ok to shoot "weenie loads" otherwise, time to light a fire! something like 5 grains of WST and a 200.. the more i shoot this Trail boss stuff, the more i like...but its hard to beat 4.0 CLAYS and 230 rainier..soft, clean and cheap. Edited December 19, 2005 by harmongreer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek45 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 Clays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickwholliday Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 Hey Cos.........just to keep you honest i'll take my chrono to the next match....D I C K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe D Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 (edited) I shoot a 1911 in ESP. I start with 10 in the gun with a 9 round reload mag. A 1911 using a 200 gr SWC at a 130 pf is pretty soft. This my be THE ultimate gamer gun. Yes it does fit in the box. I am toying with Glock 21 for SSP. Edited December 27, 2005 by Joe D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTerry Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 +1 on Clays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFD Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 +2 on Clays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lneel Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 + 3 on Clays, 3.8-3.9 grains over a Precision Delta FMJ at 1.250 is a great load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmp32 Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 4.3 Clays over a 200gr Spiral Point Bullet from Master Blaster. Gets me 170PF with a nice soft, controllable load out of a 5" Government like 1911. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnisAndyz Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 I've been using 5.0 grains of W231 under a 200gr lead round nose. Haven't chrono'd it yet but on paper it "should" produce a velocity of 840fps or 168PF for IDPA CDP. Checkout handloads.com, thier download calculator is pretty helpful. You most likey will have to go with a lighter spring (12-14 lb)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepercaprice1 Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 Why does it seem that so many prople like Clays? Looking at Hodgdon's site and manual, it seems there are better choices. For example, Titegroup will yield higher velocity with lower pressure. Wouldn't that be preferable? Since I already have Titegroup that I use for USPSA .40, would I be just as well off to use that or should I be using Clays for some reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeMartens Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 4.1-4.2 of clays with a 200gr lswc is a great shooting round. I think it feels a little snappier than a 230gr round only draw back is it can get a little smokey with the lead rounds. I don't notice when I am outside shooting, but when you go back an watch the tape you can really see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 Why does it seem that so many prople like Clays? Looking at Hodgdon's site and manual, it seems there are better choices. For example, Titegroup will yield higher velocity with lower pressure. Wouldn't that be preferable? Since I already have Titegroup that I use for USPSA .40, would I be just as well off to use that or should I be using Clays for some reason? Load some rounds up with all kinds of applicable powders, shoot them and then understand. Recoil impulse, how clean and how cheap all will figure in. After all is said and done you will find your favorite. Mine was Clays. It seems a bunch of people share my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 When you find a great one, they will discontinue it....they did that when I shot 452AA...best 45 powder I ever shot...ES was always single digits....it was temp sensitive though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyT Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 I have found 3.6 to 4.0 gr. Clays under the 230gr. Star jacketed or Rainer to be nice and accurate in both my autos and revolvers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiledviking Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 How about 3.8gr. of Clays under a Bear Creek 230 gr. black bullet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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