DDave Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) I haven't had this issue before but wanted to get someone else's opinion. My 1911/45 was 100% functional, I changed the mainspring/recoil spring on the cycle I always do and I had a fail to eject every single stage last night. Extractor tension seems tight but fine, new spring length/weight seems fine, tried a new recoil spring this morning to test and same thing. Any ideas? Edited March 17, 2022 by DDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troupe Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) Do a complete clean and inspection of parts to look for broken parts, ejector, extractor, link, etc. Did you go back with the same weights on the springs ? Not knowing your ability in understanding the operating procedure of a 1911, make sure everything is put back correctly. Does it cycle by hand without any type of dragging or binding. Use enough lube. Edited March 17, 2022 by troupe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDave Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 Yes complete/detail clean is done every time I swap springs, same spring weight, well lubricated, just random FTEs now both live and with snap caps now. The issue might be the extractor tension but I'm not really sure how it could get tighter with use but I'm not completely writing that off yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Climbhard Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 change ammo lately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve in Allentown PA Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Failure-to-extract or failure-to-eject? Same spring rates from the same manufacturer? Same load data (powder, bullet)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDave Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 Sorry failure to eject, same ammo and same spring rates from same manu wolff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltdmstr Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 If springs are the same and nothing else has changed, then it has to be something with how you put it back together. I would check to make sure the mainspring, plunger, retainer pin, etc. are fully seated, that the sear spring is flat against the frame, and all that. Then check the guide rod, spring and top end parts. Basically, make sure everything is put together correctly. If that doesn't solve the problem, maybe try some different springs. Although I wouldn't expect it from Wolff, it's possible the springs were mislabeled, or not actually as advertised. I doubt it's the extractor tension, but if you need to set that, it's easy. Take a round and slide it under the extractor hook. There should be light resistance, not a lot, and not tight. Then hold the slide horizontal with the round up against the breech face. The extractor should have enough tension to hold it in place. If you need to adjust it, take the slide stop out and pull the ejector out about 75% of it's length from the slide bore and give it a slight bend one way or the other, to increase or decrease tension. Then reassemble and check. May take a couple tries to get it right. Basically, you're bending the extractor about half way between the center and the hook end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDave Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 Assembly was done correctly so I know that's not the issue, I am going to play with extractor tension and then also set a new set of springs but I doubt wolff screwed it up, but its possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Still have the old spring? Put it back in and try it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDave Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 going to try out the old spring next time I can get to the range this weekend, also seeing if someone local has a spring weight gauge to see if what I got are out of spec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 37 minutes ago, DDave said: going to try out the old spring next time I can get to the range this weekend, also seeing if someone local has a spring weight gauge to see if what I got are out of spec If nobody has a gauge you can Google how to make one pretty easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Make sure your ejector tip didn't get snapped off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 I had something similar start happening recently and it turned out to be part of the extractor tip broke off. There was still enough of it to extract 99% of the time but once or twice out of 100 rounds it would stove pipe. was hard to tell until i removed the extractor and examined it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postal Bob Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 21 hours ago, CHA-LEE said: Make sure your ejector tip didn't get snapped off. My first thought too. Especially if you say that snap caps aren't ejecting, which I'm guessing you're hand cycling, so recoil spring rate won't come into play. Edited March 18, 2022 by Postal Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDave Posted March 22, 2022 Author Share Posted March 22, 2022 issue was resolved with adding more extractor tension, 5 different types of rounds tried with both brass and aluminum cases, no spring changed required Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpm8300 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 So even small changes to the hammer/recoil spring will change the timing of the gun. That being said, unless you added a ton of weight to both, it's odd a 1911 that extracted/ejected fine started having problems with lighter springs. For the extractor spring tension, just take note that if you add too much tension, it may cause a fail to feed or clunkyness in feeding since the new round has to defeat the extractor and get under the extractor. This can be exacerbated if you are running a light recoil spring as that is what is making that process happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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