HRShoots Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 On 9/28/2021 at 9:01 AM, Racinready300ex said: I've heard that too. I don't really get the load everyone hot thing. Clearly IDPA was extremely concerned with time at this match. The load hot was on the warm up stage at the beginning. And I think JJ would have taken the DQ but was pushed to appeal by the sponsor rep that was with him. Also, the SO’s were very clear to warn everyone about the leg sweep on the walk through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 You shouldn't have to warn anyone about sweeping themselves, especially at the Nationals, they should already know the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matteekay Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 1 hour ago, RePete said: You shouldn't have to warn anyone about sweeping themselves, especially at the Nationals, they should already know the rules. Generally agree. The specific stage in question was a seated start so the SO's took the time to underscore that they would be watching the shooter's muzzle/knee/etc. I appreciated them emphasizing it as a reminder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 On 1/1/2022 at 1:46 PM, RePete said: You shouldn't have to warn anyone about sweeping themselves, especially at the Nationals, they should already know the rules. I think it's good practice to warn people. You're right you shouldn't need to but a little extra help to avoid pointing your gun at yourself doesn't hurt anything. Plus when you do DQ someone (and at a major you probably will) you can say "hey I warned them" I was at a major once and they even let us "air gun" one part. It was a door you had to open on the 180. It made sense to me to let people do that instead or risking a unsafe situation happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 On 1/1/2022 at 8:56 AM, HRShoots said: And I think JJ would have taken the DQ but was pushed to appeal by the sponsor rep that was with him. In other words, he knew what was right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff O Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 44 minutes ago, IHAVEGAS said: In other words, he knew what was right? Anybody who doesn't believe he did believes OJ Simpson was innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 4 hours ago, Racinready300ex said: I think it's good practice to warn people. You're right you shouldn't need to but a little extra help to avoid pointing your gun at yourself doesn't hurt anything. Plus when you do DQ someone (and at a major you probably will) you can say "hey I warned them" I was at a major once and they even let us "air gun" one part. It was a door you had to open on the 180. It made sense to me to let people do that instead or risking a unsafe situation happening. I do agree with you and I do give the warning, but at the Nats and SS/EX and above should know the rules. As I said before, IDPA doesn't follow their own rules at the Nats. A DQ for safety isn't negotiable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 3 hours ago, RePete said: I do agree with you and I do give the warning, but at the Nats and SS/EX and above should know the rules. As I said before, IDPA doesn't follow their own rules at the Nats. A DQ for safety isn't negotiable. I totally agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy9 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 On 9/28/2021 at 7:44 AM, Jeff O said: He muzzled his leg on a draw. Sponsored shooter of the title match sponsor. ANYBODY else would have been gone. Funny, you can muzzle your leg now per the new rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matteekay Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 20 minutes ago, Andy9 said: Funny, you can muzzle your leg now per the new rules. Honestly, good. It's pretty stupid to have rigid draw/sweep rules and then have a legs-forward seated start. The new wording makes a lot more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff O Posted March 15, 2022 Author Share Posted March 15, 2022 Where are you guys finding the new rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matteekay Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jeff O said: Where are you guys finding the new rules? Log in to the IDPA site and there's a post with links. I'm finding the changelogs and comparison version to be as helpful as the actual new rulebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 3 hours ago, Andy9 said: Funny, you can muzzle your leg now per the new rules. 2 hours ago, matteekay said: Honestly, good. It's pretty stupid to have rigid draw/sweep rules and then have a legs-forward seated start. The new wording makes a lot more sense. Now that is gross stupidity. Simple training would eliminate that. Can you imagine the lawsuit that would follow if someone shoots themselves in the leg on a seated draw? The answer would be "It is allowed in the rulebook!" I teach how to do a seated draw. It's as simple as slide slightly sideways in the chair so that the gun is towards the target, no sweeping. My club has a rule that supersedes that rule. A DQ for sweeping yourself or anyone else. Other clubs should follow suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Jeff O said: Where are you guys finding the new rules? https://www.idpa.com/new-rulebook-mar-equipment-appendices/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matteekay Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 hour ago, RePete said: Now that is gross stupidity. Simple training would eliminate that. Can you imagine the lawsuit that would follow if someone shoots themselves in the leg on a seated draw? The answer would be "It is allowed in the rulebook!" I teach how to do a seated draw. It's as simple as slide slightly sideways in the chair so that the gun is towards the target, no sweeping. My club has a rule that supersedes that rule. A DQ for sweeping yourself or anyone else. Other clubs should follow suit. Kindly explain how to draw from the now-allowed appendix position, while seated, without sweeping any part of your body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 I don't about you and the area you are in, but where I come from it's called common sense. There is a total lack of training for that movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff O Posted March 16, 2022 Author Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, RePete said: I don't about you and the area you are in, but where I come from it's called common sense. There is a total lack of training for that movement. As you know Mr. B, there is no lattitude for safety violations at ACC. BTW the SO who DQ'd him is an ACC member. Edited March 16, 2022 by Jeff O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matteekay Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 2 hours ago, RePete said: I don't about you and the area you are in, but where I come from it's called common sense. There is a total lack of training for that movement. I'm pretty confident in my appendix draw (it's how I carry daily) but I couldn't tell you how to draw from the seated position without sweeping something. The muzzle literally begins pointed at your lower body and has to travel out past the rest of you. Still happy to hear your explanation of how this can be accomplished without the muzzle ever passing over any part of the shooter's body. Now that IDPA allows AIWB, the only options are to ban all seated starts or amend the sweeping rules to not DQ an entire subset of shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zincwarrior Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 35 minutes ago, matteekay said: Now that IDPA allows AIWB, the only options are to ban all seated starts or amend the sweeping rules to not DQ an entire subset of shooters. That is effectively what they did, permitting sweeping until out of holster, to facilitate appendix start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 20 minutes ago, Zincwarrior said: That is effectively what they did, permitting sweeping until out of holster, to facilitate appendix start. That be as it may, but I still say that it's gross stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff O Posted March 16, 2022 Author Share Posted March 16, 2022 Agree 100%, it's not if someone shoots themselves, it's when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matteekay Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Jeff O said: Agree 100%, it's not if someone shoots themselves, it's when. That happened. 2021 Nats. With a standing start and OWB holster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 22 minutes ago, matteekay said: That happened. 2021 Nats. With a standing start and OWB holster. Also at the Indoor Nats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matteekay Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 53 minutes ago, RePete said: Also at the Indoor Nats. ....I'm gonna start wearing plates at Nats, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 2 hours ago, matteekay said: ....I'm gonna start wearing plates at Nats, lol. You need a full suit of plates! LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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