SSGGlock Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Quick question. The folks that use the strong hand reload, do you use an extended release? I can see how it would be beneficial to weak hand reloads. Reason asking, I have a 686 PC with the factory extended release. With the regular release, when I roll the gun to open the cylinder, my thumb hits it perfectly and I’m done. With the extended it’s not as smooth. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revoman Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 I did not know a PC revolver came with or Smith & Wesson made an extended release. Can you post a picture of the release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskys2 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 No, I use the strong/switch hands JM style reload. I tried a Hogue Extended and like you it interfered with my "roll". A few years ago when I was practicing religiously I was able to frequently break under 1.9 seconds on a reload, shot to shot with a hit at under 7 yards (not always A's though!). Not anything near JM, or even some others who now reign supreme. Never could get close though when I had the extended release on. I practice the weak/same hand reload style also, just enough to be confident if I need it in a match, which I have. I tried it with both a regular and the extended release. For me the extended didn't help any. If one was to practice hard I'm sure the extended release would help on the same hand reload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishbreath Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 It's definitely helpful in both cases on Rugers, given the ergonomics of its cylinder release. For what it's worth, I've pretty much decided to switch from the strong hand reload to the weak hand reload after making my extended cylinder release. My top speed with both is about the same (~2.0s in practice so far), but I can do the weak hand reload a lot more reliably while moving or under pressure, and my grip is usually better when I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSGGlock Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 6 hours ago, revoman said: I did not know a PC revolver came with or Smith & Wesson made an extended release. Can you post a picture of the release? Here ya go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSGGlock Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 3 hours ago, pskys2 said: No, I use the strong/switch hands JM style reload. I tried a Hogue Extended and like you it interfered with my "roll". A few years ago when I was practicing religiously I was able to frequently break under 1.9 seconds on a reload, shot to shot with a hit at under 7 yards (not always A's though!). Not anything near JM, or even some others who now reign supreme. Never could get close though when I had the extended release on. I practice the weak/same hand reload style also, just enough to be confident if I need it in a match, which I have. I tried it with both a regular and the extended release. For me the extended didn't help any. If one was to practice hard I'm sure the extended release would help on the same hand reload. Thanks, that’s exactly what happens to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSGGlock Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Fishbreath said: It's definitely helpful in both cases on Rugers, given the ergonomics of its cylinder release. For what it's worth, I've pretty much decided to switch from the strong hand reload to the weak hand reload after making my extended cylinder release. My top speed with both is about the same (~2.0s in practice so far), but I can do the weak hand reload a lot more reliably while moving or under pressure, and my grip is usually better when I'm done. I can see that on a ruger, I saw your extended release you made, very nice. I’ve tried the weak hand and can do it if forced, but it’s not efficient at all for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revoman Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, SSGGlock said: Here ya go. Thanks I guess there is another place to get a copy of the Hogue cylinder release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revoman Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Whose’s hammer is on the revolver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSGGlock Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, revoman said: Whose’s hammer is on the revolver? Apex hammer, I have a piece of paper in there for dry firing. Edited January 24, 2021 by SSGGlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSGGlock Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 32 minutes ago, revoman said: Thanks I guess there is another place to get a copy of the Hogue cylinder release Some people think it’s made by Hogue, but there’s no writing. The under side that attaches to the bolt, looks exactly like a regular SW release. With the +- relief cuts. Apparently SW will not sale it as a part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revoman Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 I found where it is offered on the 686PC it is called the Speed Release made by the Performance Center Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysrracer Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Never knew S&W offered that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revoman Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Looks like it came out in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWP Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I use the short extended release and reload strong hand. I don’t really notice the time difference, but I have noticed how much more control I have over the muzzle with the extended release since I can just move my thumb up and reach it rather than have the roll the gun to reach a stock release. I have to cut my short extended releases in half on the face and round all the edges off on the back and bottom. My high grip forces my thumb to ride against the release and it only takes one full belt of moons to dig a nice hole into my knuckle. On my steel challenge guns I just have a factory release to stay out of the way of an aggressive draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSGGlock Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, MWP said: I use the short extended release and reload strong hand. I don’t really notice the time difference, but I have noticed how much more control I have over the muzzle with the extended release since I can just move my thumb up and reach it rather than have the roll the gun to reach a stock release. I have to cut my short extended releases in half on the face and round all the edges off on the back and bottom. My high grip forces my thumb to ride against the release and it only takes one full belt of moons to dig a nice hole into my knuckle. On my steel challenge guns I just have a factory release to stay out of the way of an aggressive draw. I’m trying to picture how it gives more muzzle control. Could you possibly post a picture of one of your cut releases. Is it the short hogue release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10mmdave Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchapman Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, 10mmdave said: These from Dave Parker are what I use on all of my competition revos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskys2 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 11 hours ago, MWP said: I use the short extended release and reload strong hand. I don’t really notice the time difference, but I have noticed how much more control I have over the muzzle with the extended release since I can just move my thumb up and reach it rather than have the roll the gun to reach a stock release. I have to cut my short extended releases in half on the face and round all the edges off on the back and bottom. My high grip forces my thumb to ride against the release and it only takes one full belt of moons to dig a nice hole into my knuckle. On my steel challenge guns I just have a factory release to stay out of the way of an aggressive draw. Well I don't think any of us mere mortals, i.e. not multiple champions!!!, can argue with the results of your technique. But, since you shift the revolver to your weak hand to reload with your strong your muzzle will shift there as well. So it would seem there is not much of a time advantage, or disadvantage, and it all comes down to what you either naturally or have trained yourself to do. For me the "roll" to shift the revolver, opening the cylinder and the punching of the release are all part of the same motion (it also works for me with Ruger revolvers, but I'd hazard that an extended release on a Ruger would work with the same motion). Whereas when I tried an extended release it was 2 separate motions. The first to punch the release, the 2nd to pop the cylinder and shift hands. I never could get those two to be done as one motion without fumbling something. Of course you are one of the few Revolver Competitors who use a finger on the trigger guard! And one can not argue with your results! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysrracer Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 30 minutes ago, mchapman said: These from Dave Parker are what I use on all of my competition revos. Do you have any contact info Dave Parker? I googled his name, but couldn't find him. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWP Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 32 minutes ago, pskys2 said: Well I don't think any of us mere mortals, i.e. not multiple champions!!!, can argue with the results of your technique. But, since you shift the revolver to your weak hand to reload with your strong your muzzle will shift there as well. So it would seem there is not much of a time advantage, or disadvantage, and it all comes down to what you either naturally or have trained yourself to do. For me the "roll" to shift the revolver, opening the cylinder and the punching of the release are all part of the same motion (it also works for me with Ruger revolvers, but I'd hazard that an extended release on a Ruger would work with the same motion). Whereas when I tried an extended release it was 2 separate motions. The first to punch the release, the 2nd to pop the cylinder and shift hands. I never could get those two to be done as one motion without fumbling something. Of course you are one of the few Revolver Competitors who use a finger on the trigger guard! And one can not argue with your results! Oh I’m not sure I’d agree with that. I think there are plenty of different techniques that are relevant and could win matches today. My style works for me, but I don’t think it’s the only way to go. There’s so much that it takes to compete at the top levels with those guys. They’re so good, so consistent, it’s daunting. And every one of us has a different style. I have 4 distinctly different reloading techniques that I bring to a match. And I have a couple more that are deep in a bag of tricks if I need them. Everyday I train or get on here or social media and I see a different technique or some slight variation I note it and take it to offseason training to see if that’s something I could use. I felt that I was turning the muzzle left while the gun was still in my right hand to get the cylinder open. This posed a problem for me when I needed to turn left. Before I found the cylinder releases to help (not solve) this problem I planned my reload before the stage to compensate for that left 180 edge. Then once I figured out that I could open the cylinder with the short release without the gun nosing left I felt that was an advantage and switched all my guns to those releases. Oh, and with the short extended release I can open the cylinder with only 1 hand on the gun if needed. Thumb on release, trigger finger moves up to cylinder. Although I don’t use it much in matches, it’s a skill (and in this case a cylinder release) that I have in the event I need it. I have Dave’s small releases pictures above on IDPA guns since that’s all that’s legal. Good stuff if you’re looking for a small piece that’s larger than stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alecmc Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) I remember this being discussed when it was first being released. Means something along the lines of extended releases are now legal if you choose to play in production division, or whatever IDPA division that requires factory parts. Edited January 25, 2021 by alecmc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10mmdave Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, MWP said: I have Dave’s small releases pictures above on IDPA guns since that’s all that’s legal. Good stuff if you’re looking for a small piece that’s larger than stock. (Just so everyone knows, the above pic is not a DaveP release) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10mmdave Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, alecmc said: I remember this being discussed when it was first being released. Means something along the lines of extended releases are now legal if you choose to play in production division, or whatever IDPA division that requires factory parts. The talk went along the line that you would be able to use the new S&W release in the non-moonclipped catagory of IDPA since it is a factory replacement part, not sure anyone has tried to get it passed by any SO's yet. Edited January 25, 2021 by 10mmdave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWP Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, 10mmdave said: (Just so everyone knows, the above pic is not a DaveP release) Yes, that is correct. the picture I posted is the Hogue short chopped in half that SSGGlock asked me for. Dave’s releases are pictured higher up the thread, by 10mmdave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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