AMG Labs Timers

[David.Hylton]

Has anyone received one lately? I ordered and paid for one on Aug. 2. No follow-up since my order confirmation. I've sent two messages through the contact us link - but no response. 

[OptimiStick]

I got mine about 3 weeks ago.

[mveto]

Got mine about 3 weeks ago, ordered it on July 27th, had no issue contacting him through his contact on his website, contacted him twice that way.

[LuvDog]

I ordered mine in June and got it mid September.  He didn’t reply to my first emails, but eventually, I got an update that it was shipping. 

[conditionone]

Ordered one 8/8. Shipped yesterday. Should have it Thursday.

[ts199982]

Ordered 6/12, and received it yesterday 11/6, I knew that were backordered when I ordered it, but wow, 20+ weeks

 

I got an email a few days ago it shipped, kind of forgot about it..... I did not reach out to them, read that they were running behind.

 

Happy I got it.......

 

 

Edited November 8, 2020 by ts199982

[toothandnail]

I got a Range Tech this week to test, less than 1/2 the price, and so far so good. Unless something big crops up , I will be getting 12 more to replace my CED's

[wchangose]

Tooth, will ROs be required to use their own phones?  Does the bluetooth feed into the pad?

Edited November 8, 2020 by wchangose

[NMBOpen]

Does RangeTech now include an onboard display. I got an early one without, which significantly reduces price (and usefulness).

[toothandnail]

1 hour ago, wchangose said:

Tooth, will ROs be required to use their own phones?  Does the bluetooth feed into the pad?

Can do either, but as with any BT can only connect to 1 device at a time

1 hour ago, NMBOpen said:

Does RangeTech now include an onboard display. I got an early one without, which significantly reduces price (and usefulness).

No display, I don't see a need for it, there is already a "display" on every stage/squad,  there is so much more info visible, AND it's not a tiny hard to see/read display.

[wchangose]

I'm not really clear about "there's a display on every stage/squad."  Do you mean the scorekeeper's pad or a persons individual phone?  If it's the scorekeepers pad how do you set it up to be timer and run practiscore? At our club we try to run it as a turnkey operation in that the squad takes the bucket with the scoring pad and timer and off they go.  Nobody has to use their own stuff.

 

I don't work for AMG but am a big fan.  We have bought some for our range and they are really slick.  Connect the bluetooth up to the pads running PractiScore and at the end of the string the scorekeeper just has to click on the stopwatch icon and the time is imported.  It makes things run smoother during a match (is it life changing, no, but smoother is better).  We run Steel Challenge matches and when you're behind a rimfire rife getting "hearing" all the shots is sometime difficult.  It works on CED but my experience is you need to be really close for some rifles.  With the AMG you can put the sensitivity toward high and it will pick up the shots.

 

I also like the fact that you can replace the batteries.  Some people don't like that method, and quite honestly I really never had a problem with keeping the CED recharged, but being able to change out batteries works for me.  

[euxx]

15 hours ago, toothandnail said:

Can do either, but as with any BT can only connect to 1 device at a time

No display, I don't see a need for it, there is already a "display" on every stage/squad,  there is so much more info visible, AND it's not a tiny hard to see/read display.

 

I'm curious how you are expecting a stage RO to make sure he had caught the last shot with a Rangetech device?

Also what "more info visible" you are referring to? Visible where exactly?

 

BTW, rumor has it, the new revisions of AMG timers will support multiple BT consumers.

[RaylanGivens]

17 hours ago, toothandnail said:

No display, I don't see a need for it, there is already a "display" on every stage/squad,  there is so much more info visible, AND it's not a tiny hard to see/read display.

 

I assume you mean that the other display is a PractiScore tablet?

 

How does an RO determine whether he is capturing any shots without a display on the timer?

 

You should discuss the displayless timer option with your Range Officers before buying timers with out displays...  Not worth it to save a few bucks...

 

 

 

[toothandnail]

2 hours ago, wchangose said:

I'm not really clear about "there's a display on every stage/squad."  Do you mean the scorekeeper's pad or a persons individual phone?  If it's the scorekeepers pad how do you set it up to be timer and run practiscore? At our club we try to run it as a turnkey operation in that the squad takes the bucket with the scoring pad and timer and off they go.  Nobody has to use their own stuff.

 

I don't work for AMG but am a big fan.  We have bought some for our range and they are really slick.  Connect the bluetooth up to the pads running PractiScore and at the end of the string the scorekeeper just has to click on the stopwatch icon and the time is imported.  It makes things run smoother during a match (is it life changing, no, but smoother is better).  We run Steel Challenge matches and when you're behind a rimfire rife getting "hearing" all the shots is sometime difficult.  It works on CED but my experience is you need to be really close for some rifles.  With the AMG you can put the sensitivity toward high and it will pick up the shots.

 

I also like the fact that you can replace the batteries.  Some people don't like that method, and quite honestly I really never had a problem with keeping the CED recharged, but being able to change out batteries works for me.  

Range Tech works the same way, if you have a tablet and timer that's all you need.

1 hour ago, euxx said:

 

I'm curious how you are expecting a stage RO to make sure he had caught the last shot with a Rangetech device?

Also what "more info visible" you are referring to? Visible where exactly?

 

BTW, rumor has it, the new revisions of AMG timers will support multiple BT consumers.

How do you know if you caught the last shot with any timer?  Are you watching the timer or the shooter?
The entire shot string is visible without cycling back through review, it inputs the time of the run as well as raw time into PS

[toothandnail]

7 minutes ago, RaylanGivens said:

 

I assume you mean that the other display is a PractiScore tablet?

 

How does an RO determine whether he is capturing any shots without a display on the timer?

 

You should discuss the displayless timer option with your Range Officers before buying timers with out displays...  Not worth it to save a few bucks...

 

 

 

I'd say it's the score keepers job to check, more so, than the guy watching the shooter. If it's a small match and one RO is doing both, it's sure easier to glance at a 1"+ size number than a 1/4".
When I'm running a shooter, I seldom look at the timer until after the final shot, I'm watching the shooter. The scorekeeper has more of that responsibility, and available time, to keep track of that side.

Edited November 8, 2020 by toothandnail

[euxx]

8 minutes ago, toothandnail said:

How do you know if you caught the last shot with any timer?  Are you watching the timer or the shooter?

 

It's been done for several decades... Though many ROs are neglecting this basic due diligence.

 

You have timer in front of you and can see on your peripheral vision that time is changing on the screen.

Same way you know when time is not supposed to change, by a quick glance at the timer when shooter finished his stage run.

 

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The entire shot string is visible without cycling back through review, it inputs the time of the run as well as raw time into PS

 

You lost me. Since timer doesn't have screen, where shot string is visible? And who inputs raw time to PS?

Edited November 8, 2020 by euxx

[toothandnail]

2 minutes ago, euxx said:

 

It's been done for several decades... Though many ROs are neglecting this basic due diligence.

 

You have timer in front of you and can see on your peripheral vision that time is changing on the screen.

Same way you know when time is not supposed to change, by a quick glance at the timer when shooter finished his stage run.

 

 

You lost me. Since timer doesn't have screen, where shot string is visible? And who inputs raw time to PS?

The timer dos it, no missed times/ no incorrect times/ no transposed numbers / no "don't plus 2 me Bro" problems

[euxx]

Just now, toothandnail said:

The timer dos it, no missed times/ no incorrect times/ no transposed numbers / no "don't plus 2 me Bro" problems

 

Oh, is that how it works? So, you don't need to know any shot registered then...

 

PS: sorry to disappoint you, but that RO buddy can simply cover timer's mike before shooter getting into his last few shots to reduce or can tap timer against some hard surface to increase run time. And since no one can verify time registered on the screen it is a bonanza for RO-cheaters you that concerned about...

 

PPS: all timers could miss shot or register extra. All depend on the RO position, timer sensitivity and range conditions. Not seeing times being registered as shooter goes is a huge gamble.

[RaylanGivens]

5 minutes ago, toothandnail said:

The timer dos it, no missed times/ no incorrect times/ no transposed numbers / no "don't plus 2 me Bro" problems

 

If you're dead set on these displayless timers...  I suggest you buy one and let your Range Officers try it first...

 

[toothandnail]

25 minutes ago, euxx said:

 

Oh, is that how it works? So, you don't need to know any shot registered then...

 

PS: sorry to disappoint you, but that RO buddy can simply cover timer's mike before shooter getting into his last few shots to reduce or can tap timer against some hard surface to increase run time. And since no one can verify time registered on the screen it is a bonanza for RO-cheaters you that concerned about...

 

PPS: all timers could miss shot or register extra. All depend on the RO position, timer sensitivity and range conditions. Not seeing times being registered as shooter goes is a huge gamble.

Not sure why you think it's all secret, the timer display counts up on the tablet, in LARGE NUMBERS , that anybody can see. That display is 1000% more visible than the one on the RO's timer that nobody can see. 
Think for a second - how many people can see the timer display, in the RO's hand, while the stage is shot? VS How many are within 3-5' of the score keeper, where a LARGE display is counting up the time, showing splits, and shot count as it happens.
You actually think the RO is more likely to,  "help" or "screw" somebody when - nobody can see the timer/display? or when at minimum, 1 other person (scorekeeper) or 2-5 squad mates can also see in real time, what the time is ?
I'm not worried about cheating, as much as missing a time, or incorrect time getting entered. 
The more eyes watching a run/time, the less chance of either happening. 
SO far in my limited testing, I think it's a good system, and possibly a great system.  I understand they are working on a multi BT connection possibility, so anyone on the squad could see the timer readout on their phone.
The app also allows for pics, and I think video to be attached to the run, I haven't tested that option yet.  You can also save all your times to your acct. for whatever reason you would want to access them later.
I haven't gotten that deep into that side, and possibly never will.

Edited November 8, 2020 by toothandnail

[toothandnail]

25 minutes ago, RaylanGivens said:

 

If you're dead set on these displayless timers...  I suggest you buy one and let your Range Officers try it first...

 

I guess you missed the part that  - I have one I'm testing .

[euxx]

1 hour ago, toothandnail said:

Not sure why you think it's all secret, the timer display counts up on the tablet, in LARGE NUMBERS , that anybody can see. That display is 1000% more visible than the one on the RO's timer that nobody can see. 
Think for a second - how many people can see the timer display, in the RO's hand, while the stage is shot? VS How many are within 3-5' of the score keeper, where a LARGE display is counting up the time, showing splits, and shot count as it happens.
You actually think the RO is more likely to,  "help" or "screw" somebody when - nobody can see the timer/display? or when at minimum, 1 other person (scorekeeper) or 2-5 squad mates can also see in real time, what the time is ?
I'm not worried about cheating, as much as missing a time, or incorrect time getting entered. 
The more eyes watching a run/time, the less chance of either happening. 
SO far in my limited testing, I think it's a good system, and possibly a great system.  I understand they are working on a multi BT connection possibility, so anyone on the squad could see the timer readout on their phone.
The app also allows for pics, and I think video to be attached to the run, I haven't tested that option yet.  You can also save all your times to your acct. for whatever reason you would want to access them later.
I haven't gotten that deep into that side, and possibly never will.

 

Are you expecting scorekeeper to use RT app during the match? I'd really like to see how that work out along with scoring. Would be interesting to hear report from a real match use. Preferrably a day long one.

 

Also I miss how pics, videos, accounts and other stuff have any use during match...

 

 

[alexmg]

Hi everybody, this is Alex from AMG Lab,  I wanted to take this opportunity and provide an update about AMG Lab's timers for everyone currently waiting on orders to be fulfilled or thinking to place an order.  

 

First of all, if anyone had not received a reply to the message they send to us, -  I am sincerely sorry about that, I reply each and every message that comes in and probably just accidentally missed yours or it did not reach my inbox, I assure you that I keep an eye on all incoming communication all the time. 

 

About the long wait, unfortunately due to covid19 inflicted issues, our entire production schedule was severely disrupted, every day is a new challenge to manage the supply chain, manufacturing processes. Our timers are Proudly Made in USA and unfortunately while pandemic is an on-going issue we will not see the ease in manufacturing challenges but I assure you that we do all possible to keep making timers and already started to close backlog, the majority of delayed orders is already being shipped this week and we are going to close entirety of the backlog in few short weeks.Thank you for your support, understanding and patience.

/Alex

[toothandnail]

2 hours ago, euxx said:

 

Are you expecting scorekeeper to use RT app during the match? I'd really like to see how that work out along with scoring. Would be interesting to hear report from a real match use. Preferrably a day long one.

 

Also I miss how pics, videos, accounts and other stuff have any use during match...

 

 

I give up, it's so simple and yet you try and make it so hard.
I can only explain it, I can't understand it for you.

[euxx]

All I'm asking is how you are using it all during a real match. You don't have to understand it for me, but you could describe process in enough details, which you didn't, and also haven't answered any of the specific question, other than saying it "magically works".

 

PS: you have no clue who I am, and what I do, don't you?