Ontarget Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Can I use both a red dot sight and a laser (2 optics) on my gun in Carry Optics Division? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethdaniel05 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 You can’t.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank705 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 You can’t. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I would disagree. Nowhere in the CO rules does it state you can only run one. The rules for CO states there are two types. I have personally seen shooters at sanctioned matches with both. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethdaniel05 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 I would disagree. Nowhere in the CO rules does it state you can only run one. The rules for CO states there are two types. I have personally seen shooters at sanctioned matches with both. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI stand corrected... maybe there were changes to the rules. I was thinking there was some type of either/or rule. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethdaniel05 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 [mention]Frank705 [/mention] were any of the ones you’ve seen light/laser combos? Or does it have to be laser only? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank705 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 [mention]Frank705 [/mention] were any of the ones you’ve seen light/laser combos? Or does it have to be laser only? Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHas to be Laser only. Unless you are an LEO or Military using duty gear you are not allowed to have a gun mounted light. Even LEO and Military with a mounted light still have to use a hand held light if a dark stage. There are exemptions for disabled shooters. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GmanCdp Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) New rule posted this week for Carry Optics.. https://draftable.com/compare/DzGQVOqbbUkq?fbclid=IwAR3RnRYNGpBM1zUS_cwd0X6cgXxoygn3LKh9plnfKcQtExTe7hn8llNQKHQ Edited July 23, 2020 by GmanCdp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank705 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 New rule posted this week for Carry Optics.. https://draftable.com/compare/DzGQVOqbbUkq?fbclid=IwAR3RnRYNGpBM1zUS_cwd0X6cgXxoygn3LKh9plnfKcQtExTe7hn8llNQKHQ Still in the document it does not state only one. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ1911 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 I don't see anywhere that you can't have both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethdaniel05 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Anybody here have setups with both? I’d love to see what you are running. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 What benefit do you get from running a laser? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethdaniel05 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 What benefit do you get from running a laser? I could possibly see it as a frame weight... could be useful on hard leans or awkward positions. I haven’t tried it or seen it in person.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 If lasers were useful USPSA Open guns would have them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underwood Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, waktasz said: If lasers were useful USPSA Open guns would have them yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethdaniel05 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 If lasers were useful USPSA Open guns would have themTrue in the sense of aiming... but people use frame weights in limited. I’m wondering what the reason is for people that are actually doing it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrackCage Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Sethdaniel05 said: I could possibly see it as a frame weight... could be useful on hard leans or awkward positions. I haven’t tried it or seen it in person. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk If you are staring at a target long enough to see a laser mark on it, you're doing it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethdaniel05 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 If you are staring at a target long enough to see a laser mark on it, you're doing it wrong.What do you mean? I see my dot on every target... how would a laser be different? Genuine question. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomstick303 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 25 minutes ago, Sethdaniel05 said: What do you mean? I see my dot on every target... how would a laser be different? Genuine question. I get what @TrackCage is saying. If you have not shot with a laser his quote might not make sense. Trying to transition to targets with a laser for some reason to me is not faster than transitioning with a dot. It could be training. It could be other factors. I am not sure. It might be that your eyes and arms are not working in coordination to put the sight on the target (again maybe a training issue). Maybe you could train, so your transitions are just as quick with a laser as with a dot or irons. Play with a laser a bit and you will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethdaniel05 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 I get what [mention=61856]TrackCage[/mention] is saying. If you have not shot with a laser his quote might not make sense. Trying to transition to targets with a laser for some reason to me is not faster than transitioning with a dot. It could be training. It could be other factors. I am not sure. It might be that your eyes and arms are not working in coordination to put the sight on the target (again maybe a training issue). Maybe you could train, so your transitions are just as quick with a laser as with a dot or irons. Play with a laser a bit and you will see. Yeah I might play around with one. That’s why I’d like to see what people are using. Admittedly I’m more interested in it as a frame weight. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrackCage Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 56 minutes ago, Sethdaniel05 said: What do you mean? I see my dot on every target... how would a laser be different? Genuine question. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Close targets, I might not even be looking through the window for a dot. It might be all index (I'm talking really close her). Easy-ish targets, I'm not really seeing a dot, more of a streak of red. The only time I see a crisp, completely settled dot is far partials or similar. For context, I'm an M in CO. If I were waiting for a laser beam to settle on a target, it would be significantly longer/slower than what I'm currently doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethdaniel05 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Close targets, I might not even be looking through the window for a dot. It might be all index (I'm talking really close her). Easy-ish targets, I'm not really seeing a dot, more of a streak of red. The only time I see a crisp, completely settled dot is far partials or similar. For context, I'm an M in CO. If I were waiting for a laser beam to settle on a target, it would be significantly longer/slower than what I'm currently doing. Totally agree. (I’m a CO master as well) I guess I’m wondering how the feedback from a laser would be different than the dot. Could you not use it similarly? Why do you have to wait for the laser to settle? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 The issue is that with the laser unless you are on target you get no feedback at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethdaniel05 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 The issue is that with the laser unless you are on target you get no feedback at all. I can see that point. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ontos Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 On 9/2/2020 at 8:53 AM, waktasz said: If lasers were useful USPSA Open guns would have them Exactly. I run a laser in PCC but literally the only thing it’s good for is if I can start with laser on steel. Even with a standard target it doesn’t really save you any time. Over the course of a year It might save me like a cumulative two seconds. On a handgun a visible light laser is worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 A guy here has a laser guide beam on his PCC - or is it a SBR? - and has the first target illuminated with the gun at low, but horizontal, ready. He just pulls the trigger and then brings the gun up to aim at the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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