JFK714 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 At last weekends match we had an interesting circumstance occur. The stage had a table start with gun loaded and placed on the X pointed down range. A PCC shooter placed the loaded PCC on the table and the RO give the 'are you ready" commend and then the beep. The shooter did not move. When questioned by the RO the shooter informed him that he had not applied the safety and did not want to start the stage in that condition. As the RO what should you do at that point and or what call would you make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rnlinebacker Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 At last weekends match we had an interesting circumstance occur. The stage had a table start with gun loaded and placed on the X pointed down range. A PCC shooter placed the loaded PCC on the table and the RO give the 'are you ready" commend and then the beep. The shooter did not move. When questioned by the RO the shooter informed him that he had not applied the safety and did not want to start the stage in that condition. As the RO what should you do at that point and or what call would you make? Did the RO actually ASK if the shooter was ready or just speed through it as many RO's do? As the shooter i'd have argued I wasn't given a chance to complete making readySent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Pretty sure that is a match dq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Just now, RJH said: Pretty sure that is a match dq 10.5.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, JFK714 said: At last weekends match we had an interesting circumstance occur. The stage had a table start with gun loaded and placed on the X pointed down range. A PCC shooter placed the loaded PCC on the table and the RO give the 'are you ready" commend and then the beep. The shooter did not move. When questioned by the RO the shooter informed him that he had not applied the safety and did not want to start the stage in that condition. As the RO what should you do at that point and or what call would you make? Match D.Q. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 DQ , BABY!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Sarge said: DQ , BABY!!!!! Just like putting a pistol on a table loaded with the safety off. Edited January 28, 2019 by bret Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuelie777 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 The shooter is DQ'ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKorn Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 It should be a DQ. I think the rule that applies is 10.5.11.1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 well unless it it was a revolving PCC, or maybe an open bolt firing thompson, greasegun or Uzi but bolt was closed. Or some other non cocked DA but hammer down carbine I am unfamiliar with,,, Yeh , Once he took hands off gun and steps back it has been "Placed" 10.5.11.1 A single action self-loading firearm with the safety not applied. If the primary safety on the firearm cannot be engaged due to the design of the firearm, and the hammer or trigger cannot be actuated in the condition the gun is in, the safety does not have to be applied. If the gun is completely empty, the safety need not be applied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK714 Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Rnlinebacker said: Did the RO actually ASK if the shooter was ready or just speed through it as many RO's do? As the shooter i'd have argued I wasn't given a chance to complete making ready Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk The RO didn't rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK714 Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 36 minutes ago, Joe4d said: well unless it it was a revolving PCC, or maybe an open bolt firing thompson, greasegun or Uzi but bolt was closed. Or some other non cocked DA but hammer down carbine I am unfamiliar with,,, Yeh , Once he took hands off gun and steps back it has been "Placed" 10.5.11.1 A single action self-loading firearm with the safety not applied. If the primary safety on the firearm cannot be engaged due to the design of the firearm, and the hammer or trigger cannot be actuated in the condition the gun is in, the safety does not have to be applied. If the gun is completely empty, the safety need not be applied. I think you nailed it. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK714 Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 hour ago, DKorn said: It should be a DQ. I think the rule that applies is 10.5.11.1. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK714 Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Sarge said: DQ , BABY!!!!! Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rnlinebacker Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 The RO didn't rush. Then it's a DQ as gun was not in safe condition after make ready command was given then followed by timer startingSent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Rnlinebacker said: Then it's a DQ as gun was not in safe condition after make ready command was given then followed by timer starting Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk "Did the RO rush!" RO can rush, go slow mumble whatever. Shooter is responsible for his/her gun and his/her operating it safely. Shooter ALWAYS has the option of saying I'm NOT ready. Edited January 28, 2019 by jcc7x7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 no different than holstering a handgun,,, If I pull my hand away and safety isnt on a SA,,, its a dq, regardless of where the RO is in the range commands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 10.5.1.11 2014: Holstering a loaded handgun, in any of the following conditions: 2019: Holstering or placing a loaded firearm, in any of the following conditions: (Another rule change escaped the change log. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKorn Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 23 minutes ago, jcc7x7 said: "Did the RO rush!" RO can rush, go slow mumble whatever. Shooter is responsible for his/her gun and his/her operating it safely. Shooter ALWAYS has the option of saying I'm NOT ready. Doesnt matter whether the shooter was ready or not. It’s still a DQ as soon as the shooter lets go of the gun in an unsafe condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 So, did the RO issue a DQ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, DKorn said: Doesnt matter whether the shooter was ready or not. It’s still a DQ as soon as the shooter lets go of the gun in an unsafe condition. I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 2 hours ago, jcc7x7 said: "Did the RO rush!" RO can rush, go slow mumble whatever. Shooter is responsible for his/her gun and his/her operating it safely. Shooter ALWAYS has the option of saying I'm NOT ready. Amen. Don’t deflect blame here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 26 minutes ago, Sarge said: Amen. Don’t deflect blame here That's exactly what I was getting at! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 20 minutes ago, jcc7x7 said: That's exactly what I was getting at! I agree and know you were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK714 Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Flatland Shooter said: So, did the RO issue a DQ? No, the shooter corrected the issue and was restarted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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