TalkingMonkey Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) I have a opportunity to get a good deal on a Vortex optic of my choice. Right now I'm running a Leupold Mark AR 1.5-4X and like everything about it except the fact that it isn't 1X at the low end. I'm thinking of giving the Strike Eagle 1-8X or the Viper PST Gen II 1-6X a try - which one would you go with for 3gun? Is the Viper worth twice the price, and if so, which reticle (MRAD or MOA) is preferred? Edited May 22, 2018 by TalkingMonkey Title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinWolv Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 The Viper GenII has much better glass than the Strike Eagle. The dot is daylight bright. Much better scope than the Strike Eagle IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkingMonkey Posted May 22, 2018 Author Share Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, AustinWolv said: The Viper GenII has much better glass than the Strike Eagle. The dot is daylight bright. Much better scope than the Strike Eagle IMO. Thanks for the feedback. Am I right to assume then that the Strike Eagle's dot is not daylight bright? Is the Viper a true 1X? Edited May 22, 2018 by TalkingMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinWolv Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 From what I recall, the Strike Eagle is not sunny-day daylight bright and is true 1x. Don't have one, was playing with a friend's at the range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerritm Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 1 hour ago, AustinWolv said: The Viper GenII has much better glass than the Strike Eagle. The dot is daylight bright. Much better scope than the Strike Eagle IMO. This, I have a Viper PST Gen II and had the Strike Eagle. Also have a Vortex Razor 1x6. Very close to the Razor in quality & glass. Excellent scope for the money. Recommend it highly. gerritm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkingMonkey Posted May 22, 2018 Author Share Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) Thanks gerritm. Which reticle do you recommend - MRAD or MOA? Edited May 22, 2018 by TalkingMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 5 hours ago, gerritm said: I have a Viper PST Gen II, Strike Eagle and a Vortex Razor 1x6. Very close to the Razor in quality & glass If the Viper is as good as the Razor in quality and glass, what is the Viper deficient in ? What is worse than the Razor ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinWolv Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 The Razor has a much bigger, more forgiving eyebox and still better glass. The Genii PST isn't far behind, but still thought the Razor clarity was a bit better at the high mag. You have to stay much more aligned on the PST, and you are more in the tube than the Razor, which feels like the body disappears. 50 minutes ago, Hi-Power Jack said: If the Viper is as good as the Razor in quality and glass, what is the Viper deficient in ? What is worse than the Razor ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieD Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 47 minutes ago, AustinWolv said: The Razor has a much bigger, more forgiving eyebox and still better glass. The Genii PST isn't far behind, but still thought the Razor clarity was a bit better at the high mag. You have to stay much more aligned on the PST, and you are more in the tube than the Razor, which feels like the body disappears. Agree with this assessment completely. That being said, Viper is head and shoulders above the strike eagle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcew73 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 I’m not trying to thread jack this, but did not want to start a whole new thread. Was wondering how guys would compare the pst gen ii to the primary arms 1-6. I have noticed that the outer edges of the pa almost seems blurry when shooting on 1x with both eyes open. Is it just me and my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerritm Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 8 hours ago, AustinWolv said: The Razor has a much bigger, more forgiving eyebox and still better glass. The Genii PST isn't far behind, but still thought the Razor clarity was a bit better at the high mag. You have to stay much more aligned on the PST, and you are more in the tube than the Razor, which feels like the body disappears. Agree. I also have a Burris XTR 1x8 to compare. The PST other than slightly less power is very close. Really like the PST reticle & dot is super bright. Info on holds is on Strelok. The HD glass in the Razor is what gives it the edge over the PST & Burris, reticle & dot are the same, also the increase in cost. $1200 against about $600 for the PST. gerritm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoKimberDave Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 I just got a PST. When I went to zero it, a friend brought his SE to zero. I'd rather have less mag and better glass of the PST. It is much much better. SE is great for the money. But the PST is nicer, and I prefer the reticle. I feel like the SE reticle is too clunky, has stadia that are too thick, and when you need the illumination, the whole reticle lights up and bleed to much light. I have a Steiner 1-4x24 on my smaller SBR, and it replaced the SE 1-6x24. I feel like the PST is very much like the Steiner but with the added 2x. Just , my opinion, and I am no expert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidp1911 Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Strike Eagle is the best value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stick Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, Davidp1911 said: Strike Eagle is the best value Yes it is a value. The only issue with the razor is the weight. I have the Strike Eagle. The Razor is hands down far superior. For anyone on a budget the Strike Eagle is a good choice, but the op stated that he has an opportunity to get a vortex at a good price. Go with the Razor and don't look back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally247 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) The way I've had it explained to me is the higher magnification gen II pst is that it is on par with the gen I razor. Since there is no 1-6 gen I Razor I would say that the gen II pst is a solid improvement over the gen I pst especially the glass. Edited July 20, 2018 by wally247 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rader1812 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 I had the PST Gen II and my buddy has the PA 1-6. Glass quality and eye relief are better than the PA by far. However, you have to make a choice between having a BDC or a MOA/MIL optic. If you cant remember holdovers or dont understand, MOA/MILs, (just learn) than maybe a BDC would be the best under the clock. Just food for thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbfcolina2 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Gen2 has far better glass. And the reticle is a lot less busy. It is hard to take long shots with the large strike eagle reticle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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