Honeybooboo Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 With the Shadow 2 coming out is the regular sp01 shadow still relevant? Are they going to keep making them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooterDrew Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 I'd have to think the Shadow will still be relevant to the same degree the standard 75 is currently. Some people will prefer the original frame ergos I'd guess, and it will continue to be a very reliable and accurate gun. I can't see the new model coming out having any impact on the future of the original 75 sp01 models Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 I think the question should be will CZ keep producing it and not so much will people still want it? You'd think if people still wanted they'd still produce it but maybe not. Is the the S2 on built on the machines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBurgess Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 why would it not be? Currently, Shadows and Shadow targets are very popular even though Tanfoglios are wining the championships with GLOCKs right on their tails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheby Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 According to the current rules, the original sp01 shadow is legal for Carry Optics while S2 is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 1 hour ago, shooterDrew said: I'd have to think the Shadow will still be relevant to the same degree the standard 75 is currently. Some people will prefer the original frame ergos I'd guess, That. It ain't like the Shadow was made with zero attention to ergos & other shooter preferences, and since everything is a compromise it seems reasonable that some will prefer the reduced weight & etc of the current model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheby Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 1 hour ago, MikeBurgess said: why would it not be? Currently, Shadows and Shadow targets are very popular even though Tanfoglios are wining the championships with GLOCKs right on their tails. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 9 minutes ago, cheby said: LOL Not swimming to the bait ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheby Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 24 minutes ago, IHAVEGAS said: Not swimming to the bait ? Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpacker Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 The SP-01 is legal weight in IDPA now, the Shadow 2 isn't. Seems like they can still make money on the Shadow 1, and isn't that what they (or any company) mainly cares about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBurgess Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 I guess that was a bit more of a troll than I was meaning. my point is within reasonably large bounds the gun just doesn't matter, so if you are a xx% shooter with a Shadow and run out and get a Shadow 2 you will continue to be a XX% shooter. Now if the new Shadow (or Glock or FN or HK or Beretta or Smith or 1911 or Tanfo or Taurus or Grand Power or ?) gets you to practice more because its new and you like it you will probably improve, if not then everything will remain the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheby Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 25 minutes ago, MikeBurgess said: I guess that was a bit more of a troll than I was meaning. my point is within reasonably large bounds the gun just doesn't matter, so if you are a xx% shooter with a Shadow and run out and get a Shadow 2 you will continue to be a XX% shooter. Now if the new Shadow (or Glock or FN or HK or Beretta or Smith or 1911 or Tanfo or Taurus or Grand Power or ?) gets you to practice more because its new and you like it you will probably improve, if not then everything will remain the same. Very true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, MikeBurgess said: I guess that was a bit more of a troll than I was meaning. my point is within reasonably large bounds the gun just doesn't matter, so if you are a xx% shooter with a Shadow and run out and get a Shadow 2 you will continue to be a XX% shooter. Now if the new Shadow (or Glock or FN or HK or Beretta or Smith or 1911 or Tanfo or Taurus or Grand Power or ?) gets you to practice more because its new and you like it you will probably improve, if not then everything will remain the same. If I could deal with a Glock trigger I would agree with you completely. Many can, but I shoot significantly less accurately with a Glock and I'm not unique in that regard. And then there is the whole duck hunting thing. Edited December 27, 2016 by IHAVEGAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
race1911 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 once the Shadow2 makes it onto the USPSA Production list there are multiple ways to get the weight down from 48 ounces to the 45 ounce weight limit for Carry Optics division.....such as: milling the slide will take off more weight than adding a very lightweight optic, using a plastic (nylon) guide rod instead of the factory steel one, slimmer or lighter weight grip panels, the reduction of front and rear sights, using a plastic or lighter mag than the CZ factory metal one (must weigh 45ounces with 1 empty mag inserted), possibly other lighter weight internal or external components................someone will figure out a way to get that weight down by the required amount to use the new Shadow2 for Carry Optics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArrDave Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 As long as the Shadow is the same profile as the SP01 that people use as a nightstand gun I would think that people are still going to like/request it. To me, it would make more sense to change the safeties from the ridiculous paddles to the thins or potentially the same as the base SP-01, or just import the SP-01 Shadowline and call it a day. I never understood why the base line shadows weren't produced in higher numbers and imported to so few places. I doubt CZ is going to drop an SP-02 that has the same proportions as the S2 with an FPB. For shooters who still shoot IDPA and USPSA, the Shadow fits both niches pretty well. I was at an Outdoor Superstore that prides itself on keeping over 20,000 guns in stock yesterday and they didn't have any SP-01s of any variety. They did have 3 TS's, 1 CM, and a TSO (in 9mm), but zero SP-01s. I think the SP-01 platform is still a good seller in it's FPB configuration. The only guns they had ample stock of were 75B's in 40 and P07/P09s. They had a few of the compact series apiece (P01, P06, PCR, 75C), 75BSA, and one 40th anniversary 75B. No decocker model anythings. The range I shoot at can only keep the P series guns on the shelves in 40, the P series 9's vanish at a slower rate than the metal framed ones. They also didn't have a 75B in matte stainless, which is what I really wanted to look at. I think for the time being CZ will sell anything they import. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneBray Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 21 hours ago, MikeBurgess said: I guess that was a bit more of a troll than I was meaning. my point is within reasonably large bounds the gun just doesn't matter, so if you are a xx% shooter with a Shadow and run out and get a Shadow 2 you will continue to be a XX% shooter. Now if the new Shadow (or Glock or FN or HK or Beretta or Smith or 1911 or Tanfo or Taurus or Grand Power or ?) gets you to practice more because its new and you like it you will probably improve, if not then everything will remain the same. Agree 100%. Still run an SP01 with trigger job, polishing, and spring work. More than capable of winning anything in production even if the operator isn't. You do not need a $1-$2,000 pistol to win or even be competitive in production. Seems people forget that early on in production people were winning with basically stock Glock and/or Beretta pistols. If my my memory is right, Leatham won Single Stack one year shooting 230 grain hardball ammo as opposed to 230 gr downloaded to a ~170-175 power factor. Find a good pistol that points well, fits your hand well, that you know is reliable and on which you can get a good trigger job, has numerous choices for holsters and mag pouches, and has good enough accuracy for its intended use. Then practice! It is not the bells and whistles and the newest pistol from any manufacturer that imakes a winner. Tons of perfect practice -- dry and live fire coupled with match experience -- makes the winners. The top shooters in the sport are frequently sponsored; they are the front line marketing for new products. And, if at the very top of their sport, will be able to afford or are provided with the equipment of their choice for matches. Most of us don't qualify unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlvrDragon50 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 I really wish I could try a Shadow 2 before putting the money down for one. It's a little steep for a production pistol without any custom shop work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) 14 minutes ago, SlvrDragon50 said: I really wish I could try a Shadow 2 before putting the money down for one. It's a little steep for a production pistol without any custom shop work. If you ever make it to a USPSA match at Riley in Terra Haute, I have one on order that you could check out. No clue when I will get it. Price wise, the rap is that it already has all of the right goodies except you may change springs. So I agree with you it is not cheap, but if you compare price to another gun with the sights and firing controls already competition ready correct & installed it prices favorably with some competitors. Where you can beat it is if you are comfortable with making modifications yourself & just need to buy the right parts. Edited December 29, 2016 by IHAVEGAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlvrDragon50 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 1 minute ago, IHAVEGAS said: If you ever make it to a USPSA match at Riley in Terra Haute, I have one on order that you could check out. No clue when I will get it. Price wise, the rap is that it already has all of the right goodies except you may change springs. So I agree with you it is not cheap, but if you compare price to another gun with the sights and firing controls already competition ready correct & installed it prices favorably with some competitors. Where you can beat it is if you are comfortable with making modifications yourself & just need to buy the right parts. Yea, now that I know how to work a gun I sometimes wish I just bought a CZC or CGW gun off the start, but it's been a great experience learning how the gun works! Makes me feel very confident fixing any problems. I will have to make a trip out to Terre Haute for sure then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbebeau Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Price drop on Shadow 1s *fingers crossed* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanniek71 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 3 hours ago, IHAVEGAS said: If you ever make it to a USPSA match at Riley in Terra Haute, I have one on order that you could check out. No clue when I will get it. Price wise, the rap is that it already has all of the right goodies except you may change springs. So I agree with you it is not cheap, but if you compare price to another gun with the sights and firing controls already competition ready correct & installed it prices favorably with some competitors. Where you can beat it is if you are comfortable with making modifications yourself & just need to buy the right parts. Where did you pre order from? I want to give one a try as well but no where around me has a clue how to get one...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanniek71 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Just now, Vanniek71 said: Where did you pre order from? I want to give one a try as well but no where around me has a clue how to get one...... Disregard Google Fu has saved me once again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bthoefer Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Now that the shadow 2s are becoming available the original shadows are totally uncompetitive and useless. *Runs off to check the classifieds for people selling their shadow to buy a shadow 2* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) True. Since the Shadow 2 came out (and I haven't even seen a picture of one) I can't hit a thing with my Shadow OR my SP01. If I could only fondle one (not even shoot it) I'd probably jump right up to M. Oh, the power of mythology... Edited December 30, 2016 by teros135 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsCZas123 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Where did you pre order from? I want to give one a try as well but no where around me has a clue how to get one......CZ Custom posted it on their Facebook here is the form you can send to StuartSent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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