joshxdm9 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Ok so I have shot hundreds of reloaded .223 rounds and just started having problems with the case/ round getting stuck in the chamber. Pull the trigger firing pin drops but doesn't go off so I try to rack out and have to battle ram the thing to get it to eject. Anyways for some dump reason I try to fire a few out of a new AR and it happens again!!! But this time I get the bcg back but now the live round is jammed in the chamber!!!! Sooooo now what to do??? I thought about taking a cleaning rod and trying to tap it out from the muzzle but that just creeps me out! I was able to get the lower off and bcg out and left it along until I could think of a safe way to try and get it out or hope to get some suggestions here.. Thanks for any advice from anyone who may have had this issue at one time or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uewpew Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 I'm not sure the safest way to get the live round out...but i'm wondering what's up with your ammo/rifles? REALLY dirty chamfers? OAL too long and bullet is seating in lands? Case not fully resized? Would incorrect head spacing cause round to not go off? Sorry I can't offer any real help on this, hopefully someone here can! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshxdm9 Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 7 minutes ago, uewpew said: I'm not sure the safest way to get the live round out...but i'm wondering what's up with your ammo/rifles? REALLY dirty chamfers? OAL too long and bullet is seating in lands? Case not fully resized? Would incorrect head spacing cause round to not go off? Sorry I can't offer any real help on this, hopefully someone here can! Well ... My routine for loading .223 is resize and deprime trim de-burr and clean primer pockets load case gauge (and they pass ) BUT I started crimping with a lee fcd on a single stage and wondering if that has something to do with it... BUT the rounds I shot today were pre crimp rounds that I have shit hundreds of out of a stag 3G chamber should have been clean it was brand new... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 chuck the entire upper in your freezer till the morning. my bet is it will fall right out. BTDT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dthomas1003 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 You can use a rod from the muzzle end and tap it out. Been there, done that. Nothing to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikaze1a Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Did the extractor tear the case's rim? If the rim is not torn up too badly I would first try seating the extractor and then mortaring the complete rifle. If the rims messed up or the mortaring does not work, rod down the muzzle... Are those reloads or factory ammo? If reloads, probably too long OAL or if seating/crimping at one station, could be bulged shoulder from seating/crimping die out of adjustment. The extracted round should be telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshxdm9 Posted September 10, 2016 Author Share Posted September 10, 2016 1 hour ago, dthomas1003 said: You can use a rod from the muzzle end and tap it out. Been there, done that. Nothing to worry about. Did you have to really beat it out or just a light tap did the trick? No worries about bullet setting back to far and compressing powder ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshxdm9 Posted September 10, 2016 Author Share Posted September 10, 2016 It did tear the case rim .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwray Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 If it's a brand new gun there is a good chance of oil in the chamber that would create a suction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mscott Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 (edited) Sent you a PM, Josh Edited September 10, 2016 by mscott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dthomas1003 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 2 hours ago, joshxdm9 said: Did you have to really beat it out or just a light tap did the trick? No worries about bullet setting back to far and compressing powder ?? It depends. A light tap might be all it needs or it might need a little more force. Bullet set back and compressing the powder is a non issue. You won't be attempting to shoot this round again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I got some reloads from a local friend, and had trouble getting loaded rounds out of the chamber (to show clear). He told me he had inserted the bullet at a slight angle, and that was causing the problem ejecting live rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mscott Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I'm not a fan of sticking a cleaning rod down the bore and pushing back because if you seat the bullet all the way into the case and then keep pushing, you are going to bulge the brass and make it tighter in the chamber. I'm guessing the bottom of the case is not properly sized and is where it is jammed into the chamber. The mentality seems to be once you've started pushing you might as well keep going and next thing you have a hammer involved. Case gauges are wonderful things for setting up dies and preventing this sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 4 hours ago, Hi-Power Jack said: I got some reloads from a local friend, and had trouble getting loaded rounds out of the chamber (to show clear). He told me he had inserted the bullet at a slight angle, and that was causing the problem ejecting live rounds. Jack, I don't buy that. I have put a bullet on a case damn near sideways and pulled the ram, and it still seated the bullet correctly.....many times over... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 9 hours ago, dthomas1003 said: It depends. A light tap might be all it needs or it might need a little more force. Bullet set back and compressing the powder is a non issue. You won't be attempting to shoot this round again. This. As for bulging the brass even more trying to drive it out, that is most likely a non issue as well. The friction between the case wall and the chamber is going to be less than the force it takes to deform a loaded round stuck in the chamber. It probably will only take one sharp whack before it comes out.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 12 hours ago, mwray said: If it's a brand new gun there is a good chance of oil in the chamber that would create a suction It would only create the suction once a round had been fired and the brass was expanded to the chamber walls, pushing the oil out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshxdm9 Posted September 18, 2016 Author Share Posted September 18, 2016 Update... Tried to very lightly tap out with cleaning rod I mean very lightly so that didn't set bullet back in case .. No luck Put in freezer for about 6 hours and tried to pull out with a modified screwdriver that I bent the very end of to grab a hold of the rim of the case No luck next thinking of putting bcg back in and see if I can drop it and fire round out. Guess since case lip is ripped out where extractor is if it doesn't go bang can just try again !!! This is really getting very frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 it will possibly be harder to remove after you fire it (brass expansion). I would get a decent brass rod that fits closely to your barrel bore and pound it out with that. those kind of squib rods can be expensive for a piece of brass but they work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Why are you so worried about the bullet setting back into the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshxdm9 Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 4 hours ago, GrumpyOne said: Why are you so worried about the bullet setting back into the case? Well I hate to compress the powder for 2 reasons.. One if it compresses to much won't it flare the case out even more ? And second just afraid of kaboom!! I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Powder only kabooms when a primer goes off behind it....Second, while it may bulge the case a bit, I feel fairly certain that the round will come out long before that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonja55 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 I had the same problem on one of my rifles. The Match ammo gauge said I was good but every round I tried to chamber locked it up like a bank vault. Put the same ammo in a JP Match gauge and it was no go. Resized cases I bought were not resized correctly. I knocked the stuck round out with a G.I. cleaning rod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 6 hours ago, GrumpyOne said: Powder only kabooms when a primer goes off behind it....Second, while it may bulge the case a bit, I feel fairly certain that the round will come out long before that happens. agreed. there is no chance of a kaboom just because the bullet may seat deeper into the case. putting the bolt back in and trying to slam it into battery and fire it is the (slightly) more dangerous method. that's more likely to get you a really stuck case (given it's already ripped part of the rim off). knocking it out with a squib rod is the way to go. as long as you're using a proper sized rod of brass or a polymer (like the arredondo ones) you can pound away as hard as you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshxdm9 Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 25 minutes ago, BeerBaron said: agreed. there is no chance of a kaboom just because the bullet may seat deeper into the case. putting the bolt back in and trying to slam it into battery and fire it is the (slightly) more dangerous method. that's more likely to get you a really stuck case (given it's already ripped part of the rim off). knocking it out with a squib rod is the way to go. as long as you're using a proper sized rod of brass or a polymer (like the arredondo ones) you can pound away as hard as you like. Ok ... I think I will try putting tension on the rear of the case with my modified screw driver while pulling out and try to tap from the muzzle a little harder . Man I hope this works it's driving me nuts!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Get medieval on that mother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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