BMaus Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 (edited) It would be a lot more interesting if it came stock with the bushing. I believe there are concerns that they will not approve the bushing version for IPSC Production. Edited March 9, 2016 by BMaus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 why wouldn't they? the only issue with the accu-shadow is that it's a CZ UB made gun that is modified by CZ USA or CZC. If the factory installs a tighter bush I can't see how that would make it ineligible for production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twowheels Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 (edited) The bushing guns would more likely be legal if all shadow 2s were built with the bushing. As a custom feature on show guns, they are not going to be production or IDPA legal. The guns look excellent but I'm asking myself are they just the latest and greatest or do they offer enough advantage over my tried, true, and tuned shadows for me to pony up the cash? I suppose I'll get to decide when they actually are available. Edited March 11, 2016 by twowheels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ck867 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Has there been any word on whether they will available for USA and added to USPSA production list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilkMyDuds Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Has there been any word on whether they will available for USA and added to USPSA production list? Derek Perrault What's the word? When can we see it in US dealers' hands?I need this gun! Like · Reply · March 6 at 12:43pm CZ-USA Derek- Frankly, we have no idea. When production starts up we're set to get the first run of them to do testing with, but we don't want to speculate as to when we'd actually start shipping them. Thanks! Like · Reply · March 6 at 3:00pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-ManBart Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Has there been any word on whether they will available for USA and added to USPSA production list? Derek Perrault What's the word? When can we see it in US dealers' hands?I need this gun! Like · Reply · March 6 at 12:43pm CZ-USA Derek- Frankly, we have no idea. When production starts up we're set to get the first run of them to do testing with, but we don't want to speculate as to when we'd actually start shipping them. Thanks! Like · Reply · March 6 at 3:00pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 They wanted to bring a gun in and not be ridiculously expensive, so the bushing gun is at least a year off. Whether or not they apply for it to be a Production Div gun is unknown. They did set precedent with the Oranges and Shadowmates that some countries got, so creating a new Orange with a bushing isn't a bad idea. But it will cost more. it also takes more time to produce which would mean smaller quantities per year vs the production that they can do with the new gun without the bushing. I'd love to post all my pics, but I can't post enough per thread to have any kind of continuity. A close up of the interior Maria's wee hand gripping the gun and having no issue getting on the trigger The bushing gun Some Bling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 http://czcustom.com/new-firearms/cz-pistols-custom/cz-75-cts-ls-p-sa-da-9mm-black.html Can't help but wonder why they didn't do something like that, ala Glock 34 and Springfield 5.25 ?? Maybe just did not want to hurt cz custom ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDM Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 IPSC rules is my guess http://czcustom.com/new-firearms/cz-pistols-custom/cz-75-cts-ls-p-sa-da-9mm-black.html Can't help but wonder why they didn't do something like that, ala Glock 34 and Springfield 5.25 ?? Maybe just did not want to hurt cz custom ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 IPSC rules is my guess http://czcustom.com/new-firearms/cz-pistols-custom/cz-75-cts-ls-p-sa-da-9mm-black.html Can't help but wonder why they didn't do something like that, ala Glock 34 and Springfield 5.25 ?? Maybe just did not want to hurt cz custom ? 127mm max barrel length in IPSC. if you notice the mags they are showing with the pistol too, those wont fit the USPSA Production box (no box in IPSC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 IPSC rules is my guess http://czcustom.com/new-firearms/cz-pistols-custom/cz-75-cts-ls-p-sa-da-9mm-black.html Can't help but wonder why they didn't do something like that, ala Glock 34 and Springfield 5.25 ?? Maybe just did not want to hurt cz custom ? 127mm max barrel length in IPSC. if you notice the mags they are showing with the pistol too, those wont fit the USPSA Production box (no box in IPSC) "IPSC rules is my guess" The fog is lifted, thank you both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMaus Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Samples in Oz; https://www.facebook.com/pages/PBA-Imports/282282755139757 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamMP9 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I've been in the market looking at the stock 3's . Perhaps I should wait lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJART Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I've been in the market looking at the stock 3's . Perhaps I should wait lol Why? CZ copied the stock 3 design on this one. The S3 is heavier. The S3 is a better production gun. I like the Shadow 2 (I have a shadow target now), but I'm going with a S3 this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I've been in the market looking at the stock 3's . Perhaps I should wait lol Why? CZ copied the stock 3 design on this one. The S3 is heavier. The S3 is a better production gun. I like the Shadow 2 (I have a shadow target now), but I'm going with a S3 this season. CZ for better triggers and more/cheaper aftermarket parts ? Do not know, just asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB1 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I've been in the market looking at the stock 3's . Perhaps I should wait lol Why? CZ copied the stock 3 design on this one. The S3 is heavier. The S3 is a better production gun. I like the Shadow 2 (I have a shadow target now), but I'm going with a S3 this season. Why Stock3, is the Stock2 with the bull barrel not better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJART Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I've been in the market looking at the stock 3's . Perhaps I should wait lol Why? CZ copied the stock 3 design on this one. The S3 is heavier. The S3 is a better production gun. I like the Shadow 2 (I have a shadow target now), but I'm going with a S3 this season. Why Stock3, is the Stock2 with the bull barrel not better? I was comparing stock 3 and shadow 2 since that is what CZ copied in its exterior design. True, you can't quite get the trigger to CZ specs (I got my shadow to 1# 10oz SA). But do you guys really feel the difference when the buzzer goes off...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I would take the Shadow 2 over a Stock 2 or 3 any day of the week, I took a regular Shadow over my Stock II originally. The Shadow has a better trigger, better sights and most importantly, for me, flush safeties. Tanfoglio refuses to make flush safeties, had that discussion with them at IWA, they cite "liability" concerns. Weird how others don't have that same concern. And I laugh at people saying CZ is copying Tanfoglio, because umm, what is a Tanfo again? oh yeah a copy of a CZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJART Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I would take the Shadow 2 over a Stock 2 or 3 any day of the week, I took a regular Shadow over my Stock II originally. The Shadow has a better trigger, better sights and most importantly, for me, flush safeties. Tanfoglio refuses to make flush safeties, had that discussion with them at IWA, they cite "liability" concerns. Weird how others don't have that same concern. And I laugh at people saying CZ is copying Tanfoglio, because umm, what is a Tanfo again? oh yeah a copy of a CZ. Look at the current shadow. then look at the stock iii. then look at the shadow 2. You're right, CZ didn't copy the stock iii for the shadow 2. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawkanat Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Nice! I was thinking about Stock II Xtreme but unsure about the trigger because of mixed reviews. If CZ copied Tanfo, I am glad they did. I will wait for the Shadow 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 The work done to the S2 started long before the Stock III came out, they were already working on an upgrade in 2010 when I visited the factory for the first time. I, among others on that trip, were asked to list things that I wanted to see, improvements, simple changes etc, to the gun. Many of the things I wrote down, from proper checkering, better slide serrations for manipulations and a good, solid adjustable rear sight, are now incorporated into this gun. I know I wasn't unique in my answers, as it was things I'd heard from others, and were things people like Angus had told them previously as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrd Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 There's no dispute that the Stock 3 and Shadow 2 are very much alike. The "who's copied who" argument can go on and on, but I don't see the point. It will lead nowhere. I'm just glad that CZ also has a full five-incher on offer. Competition is a great thing. Tanfoglio has had a 25% price increase on the Stock 3 in my country over the last 2 years. The Shadow 2 looks to be about 10% more expensive than the blued Stock 3, which is about right. Between those, I think the Shadow 2 has the edge. It has better trigger, better coating and adjustable mag release. In my opinion, the Stock 3 has nothing on the Shadow 2, except price and possible ergonomics that could fit an individual shooters hand better. I'm even considering trying the Shadow 2 out to see if I prefer it over my Stock 2 AU. About the trigger again. I used to have a shadow and, yes, it had a better trigger. But the Tanfoglio trigger can be made great too, just not as good. The difference is not significant for me, it makes no difference when the buzzer goes off. I'm not someone that needs the best trigger available, I just need "good enough" and the Tanfo is there by a big margin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 possible ergonomics that could fit an individual shooters hand better. Much more important to me than the other Tanfo vs Cz details (and why I'm shooting a 75 LS) , if the new gun fits my hand better this could be expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceinyerface Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I've been in the market looking at the stock 3's . Perhaps I should wait lol Why? CZ copied the stock 3 design on this one. The S3 is heavier. The S3 is a better production gun. I like the Shadow 2 (I have a shadow target now), but I'm going with a S3 this season. CZ for better triggers and more/cheaper aftermarket parts ? Do not know, just asking. more/cheaper aftermarket parts ^^This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJART Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 About the trigger again. I used to have a shadow and, yes, it had a better trigger. But the Tanfoglio trigger can be made great too, just not as good. The difference is not significant for me, it makes no difference when the buzzer goes off. I'm not someone that needs the best trigger available, I just need "good enough" and the Tanfo is there by a big margin. Agreed. I got my shadow down to 1# 10oz, and still prefer and shoot S3 better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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