FTP_Shooting_Sports Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) Benny Hill 38 Super: CZ Shadow Open Gun (9mm Major) Edited December 17, 2015 by flgcwpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTP_Shooting_Sports Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 CZ Czechmate (9mm Major) with factory spring: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTP_Shooting_Sports Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 CZ Czechmate 14 LB Variable Recoil Spring with major load: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 STI Trubor shooting minor 9mm load : https://youtu.be/eSSL_Th5FB0 ST Trubor shooting major 99 load: https://youtu.be/StecZz-7Y0s You need to work on your grip, work on your major load, experiment with springs, try a new comp or any combination of all of them. Your major load is moving that gun too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTP_Shooting_Sports Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) I am starting to think it's grip more than anything. I spent some time looking at KA's videos. If you look at them frame by frame, you will see that the gun has almost no muzzle rise until the slide hits the frame. At that point, he gets a large muzzle rise similar to what you see in all my videos. If you look at Cha-lee's videos, all his muzzle rise is also when the slide his the frame but the gun only rises a fraction of the height that KA and I are seeing with our guns. So either his grip is a LOT better than ours, or his gun is hitting the frame with a lot less force. Here is a frame by frame comparison of one of KA's videos: http://www.picpaste.com/pics/tanfoglio_frame_recoil.1450387295.jpg Chal-ee's video: http://www.picpaste.com/chalee-uUBfgovk.jpg You can also see that Cha-lee videos he does not start with the muzzle horizontal. He has a downward angle on the gun already. Take a look at the ling on the garage door behind the gun as a reference point. Edited December 17, 2015 by flgcwpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Personally, I believe that all or almost all of the muzzle flip on a comp'd gun is caused by the slide action. I once owned a comp'd 45 with a Clark comp and barrel. I spent a lot of time and effort trying to get that gun to shoot flat. I learned a lot, including the fact there is such a thing as too much gas. Anyway, germane to my comment above, on a lark I once decided to shoot my 50 yard bullseye load through the comp, just to see what would happen. That load was a Nosler 185JHP @ 775fps using N310. I had a 8lb spring in at the time. There was no upward muzzle flip with that load and the dot didn't budge. I was astounded. The reason was the slide never opened more than a very small fraction of an inch. I had to manually cycle the slide to eject the shell and load each new round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 In my videos I am pointing at a downward angle because that is where the bullet trap is located. Pointing the gun down slightly like that isn't going to make much of any difference in recoil management from a grip and arm strength perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogtired Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I gotta ask, whats up with rolling up the sleeve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamge Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The variable spring in the CM looks like it does a trick for you. Link to that part in a store? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRick Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The variable spring in the CM looks like it does a trick for you. Link to that part in a store? http://www.speedshooter.com/product_detail.cfm?id=WLF42400&n= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTP_Shooting_Sports Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I gotta ask, whats up with rolling up the sleeve? The guy wanted to see the recoil impulse go up his arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTP_Shooting_Sports Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 The variable spring in the CM looks like it does a trick for you. Link to that part in a store? Wolff spring for Browning Highpower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTP_Shooting_Sports Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 In my videos I am pointing at a downward angle because that is where the bullet trap is located. Pointing the gun down slightly like that isn't going to make much of any difference in recoil management from a grip and arm strength perspective. I want's referencing recoil management but rather that the gun was not level in the video to begin with while the other videos posted start with the gun level. In the frame by frame, I could see how much your gun moved when it hit the frame. You obviously have a very strong grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open1215 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 10.2 g VV3n38 under 115g mg jhp. Trubor t2 with 3 holes at 90* also has springco recoil reducer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Open1215> There is too much post shot bounciness. I would attribute a lot of that to not using a proper canted wrist and thumbs forward grip with your support hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I tend to agree with Charles. I think that thumb rest being so far back is messing up your weak hand position. You can see the gap between weak and strong hand when it should be nestled in there tight. I think if you take one or even both fingers off the trigger guard, get a thumb rest that's further forward and rotate hand further you'll get more weak hand on the grip and possibly get better control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open1215 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) I agree. A lot of the issue is my support hand. I have 25% use of it after 3 surgeries and 2 years therapy. Last one fused my wrist. That what the dent in my left arm is in the video. There is still a LOT of scar tissue. Edited December 22, 2015 by Open1215 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Ok, that makes sense. I can see why it would be hard as hell to get your wrist locked down. I struggle a bit with metal plate in right shoulder which includes 9 bolts. It makes it difficult for me to fully extend. Motorbike accident in my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open1215 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Same here. I was on a test drive (former mechanic) and a guy ran a stop sign. That was that. Arm hit the pavement at 40 mph and "turned to dust" as my doctor put it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busdriver02 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Just spit-balling, but have you ever considered trying open minor? I'm curious if the trade off of control would offset the scoring disadvantage in your case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Same here. I was on a test drive (former mechanic) and a guy ran a stop sign. That was that. Arm hit the pavement at 40 mph and "turned to dust" as my doctor put it. The accident that led to my shoulder surgery was similar. Guy pulling out of a side street. Not looking. Was not a fast accident but made a mess of my shoulder and my Ducati. I've had some much faster accidents with only minor injury. You just never can tell. There's a reason cops call them donor cycles... Still I love to ride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open1215 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Just spit-balling, but have you ever considered trying open minor? I'm curious if the trade off of control would offset the scoring disadvantage in your case. I have never tried open minor. The thumb rest really helps a lot and anything inside 15 yards I will double alfa within about 2in. I'm in it for fun and enjoy the sport. I'm not the fastest guy out there but I know my limits. I have a video with no thumb rest and the bounce was so bad I wanted to sell the optic because I couldn't find the dot. I put the thumb rest on after it not selling for a week and it made a ton of difference. I will try and take video of multiple rapid shots. The local range doesn't like rapid fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open1215 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 https://youtu.be/wFLeijEaTMM Same gun with out the gaspedal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busdriver02 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 My local range doesn't particularly like rapid fire either, so I know that frustration. Obviously the thumb rest helps for your situation, just thinking out loud with the minor thing I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open1215 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I apreciate it. I just haven't loaded any to try really. I load bunny farts for my single stack. No pf just plinking and I get about the same rise from the muzzle. I just fit a 9mm barrel to that same gun so I will give minor a shot. I'll see if I can fit 8g of 105 in a case and see how that shoots. I also have some hs-7 I may try... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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