Willz Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) Today I watched a short video clip of Keith Garcia doing some load 4 practice on Taran Tactical's FB page. He loads one shell in his M2 and fires one shot then the bolt locks back and he loads 4 then chambers a round and fire one shot. How does he load the mag tube on a locked back bolt? My M2 locks the load gate/lifter in the down position until the bolt is forward. I want to be able to do this with my TTI M2. https://www.facebook.com/TaranTactical?fref=pb&hc_location=profile_browser Edited March 9, 2015 by Willz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 It looks like he (very quickly) is releasing the bolt as he moves to load the shells. After the last shell he trips the shell drop lever, racks the bolt and is up and running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Yeah, I believe Patrick is correct. Try it several ways and see which works best for you. The method he shows eliminates a 1/4 rotation and adds one motion. If you drop one shell of a Quad in the chamber, hit the bolt release then load one followed by two is another way, which for me is simpler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjdowning18 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I use to do it like mark says. Now I just load like normal into my browning and let the little elf inside do the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Reading between the lines, I would guess that A5 is what he is looking to beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjdowning18 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I agree mark...and Keith is prob still faster than me in that drill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willz Posted March 10, 2015 Author Share Posted March 10, 2015 I can't see it. I've watched him 50 times, I'm still watching it... Keith is obviously a professional magician, and an accomplished one at that, his slight of hand is that good. I can't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinT Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I can't see it. I've watched him 50 times, I'm still watching it... Keith is obviously a professional magician, and an accomplished one at that, his slight of hand is that good. I can't see it. 1. Hit the bolt release with the heel of the hand 2. Load as normal 3. Hit shell release with thumb 4. Rack bolt with one finger He's wicked fast with it. I learned to do his method loading quads weakhand after his first facebook video. It's faster than the throw one in the chamber quad method, as long as you can find the shell release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willz Posted March 10, 2015 Author Share Posted March 10, 2015 I can't see it. I've watched him 50 times, I'm still watching it... Keith is obviously a professional magician, and an accomplished one at that, his slight of hand is that good. I can't see it. 1. Hit the bolt release with the heel of the hand 2. Load as normal 3. Hit shell release with thumb 4. Rack bolt with one finger He's wicked fast with it. I learned to do his method loading quads weakhand after his first facebook video. It's faster than the throw one in the chamber quad method, as long as you can find the shell release. The vid is deceptive then. You never hear the bolt release prior to the load. You do not hear the thunk of the shell release. I'm going to practice this. Also why no match saver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willz Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) So after a bit of practice, I actually used this at the 2nd Remington VM Challenge at Tarheel 3 gun this past weekend on an empty start and once when I ran my gun dry. The key is to hit the shell release and rack the bolt in one movement. Sort of a pinching motion. So, when you have an empty gun in one hand and a handful of shells in the other this is the answer, this is very fast. Edited March 20, 2015 by Willz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmiller Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 So after a bit of practice, I actually used this at the 2nd Remington VM Challenge at Tarheel 3 gun this past weekend on an empty start and once when I ran my gun dry. The key is to hit the shell release and rack the bolt in one movement. Sort of a pinching motion. So, when you have an empty gun in one hand and a handful of shells in the other this is the answer, this is very fast. Could you post a video of it ? He does it so fast I am have a hard time figuring it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willz Posted March 21, 2015 Author Share Posted March 21, 2015 So after a bit of practice, I actually used this at the 2nd Remington VM Challenge at Tarheel 3 gun this past weekend on an empty start and once when I ran my gun dry. The key is to hit the shell release and rack the bolt in one movement. Sort of a pinching motion. So, when you have an empty gun in one hand and a handful of shells in the other this is the answer, this is very fast. Could you post a video of it ? He does it so fast I am have a hard time figuring it out. no vid, sorry. Keith, shoots one round, bolt locks back flips gun over, grabs 4 shells as the loading hand comes up to the load port he hits the bolt release with ,I'm guessing, the heel of his loading hand. loads 4 shells. puts his thumb on the shell release at the same time he hooks a finger over the bolt handle. in one move, thumb hits shell release, finger pulls bolt backward. One motion. Flip the gun up and shoulder. The key is to combine as many movements as possible into one action. Keiths move is very smooth. He doesn't chop it up into seperate movements. Try it. The light bulb will go on. At least it did for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openclassterror Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) This is the reason we weld an extension onto the shell release. My sponsored shooters have been using this method for almost a year now, and just having a slightly bigger button makes it almost an afterthought, instead of a separate conscious motion. Just rub your thumb along the edge of the trigger guard as you rack the bolt with your finger and the shell is there by the time the bolt is open. This Youtube vid went up last August. Watch the end of the vid (35 sec in) to see the technique- Edited March 21, 2015 by openclassterror Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmiller Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93notch Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 that's a good video, i definitely need to work on my loads with the 3 gun season starting in 2 weeks.... eek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcalidave Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 The modification we made, as seen in the video tom posted, is the larger tab on the shell release and a very contoured trigger guard. It's a weak hand load method only, although I guess with some contortion you could do the same motion strong hand loading. When I stuff the last pair of shells, I drag my hand back immediately, grabbing the bolt handle with my index finger. The side of my thumb trips the release and the first shell is on the lifter before the bolt is completely open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadleyOwens Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Or you could always just pull the trigger with your strong hand index finger or thumb, then rack the bolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaticvisions Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Or you could always just pull the trigger with your strong hand index finger or thumb, then rack the bolt. Different strokes for different folks. Personally, I won't pull the trigger unless I am intentionally dry firing, intentionally live firing, or following show clear instructions at the end of the stage. I just don't want to risk a negligent discharge and resulting DQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewberry Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 The modification we made, as seen in the video tom posted, is the larger tab on the shell release and a very contoured trigger guard. It's a weak hand load method only, although I guess with some contortion you could do the same motion strong hand loading. When I stuff the last pair of shells, I drag my hand back immediately, grabbing the bolt handle with my index finger. The side of my thumb trips the release and the first shell is on the lifter before the bolt is completely open. Would you mind posting a picture of one of the extended shell releases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewberry Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Or you could always just pull the trigger with your strong hand index finger or thumb, then rack the bolt. I've toyed around with doing this in practice, if your going to do it make sure you have the hand/wrist strength to hold a shotgun that now has 8 shells in it with nothing but your thumb and 3 fingers. I can get it done but it does take some strength. Also in my experience its slower cause you can't finger the trigger till you have rolled the gun right side up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openclassterror Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 To give credit where credit is due, Dave and Jeremy came up with the idea while they were practicing with the shotguns I just built for them. I came into it after the fact, but immediately saw the benefit. Not having to hunt for the little button will save you seconds over the course of a match, especially if the MD likes empty gun starts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finbox Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Or get a SX3 that does not have a shell release button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinWolv Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Or get a SX3 that does not have a shell release button. Having a gun that runs less reliably just to get a shell release button is not the best path...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcalidave Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Here's the pic. I also won't pull the trigger on a gun that I'm not aiming. Too many chances for a DQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amccallister Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Or get a SX3 that does not have a shell release button. Having a gun that runs less reliably just to get a shell release button is not the best path...... Although I like to give him crap and tell him to buy a Benelli, Finbox's SX3 has always ran great from what I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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