dhunt91 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Currently I am loading 125 BBI / SNS over 4.9 Grains of CFE ( PF 130-135 ) Is there a way to make this a softer load while still maintaining PF of at least 125-130? Powder changing is a option as well as different bullets (generally stick to BBI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Tompkins Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 General rule of thumb woiuld be a fster powder at a lighter charge - less powder mass being converted to gas and jetting out the barrel. Real chang will be switching to a heavyer bullet then you need less energy to get same PF. 160 gr XTreme are AMAZING! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oak hill Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 heavier bullets is the key for a softer feeling recoil impulse. 147 gr bullets are very popular, some are even using as heavy as 160 gr now in 9mm there is lots of good load info here, just do a search and some reading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhunt91 Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 Okay thanks was just wondering on powder mainly I have only cfe and autocomp left ( can probably trade for others ) Im leaning towards 135 or 147gr bib depends on what he is offering in the hytek coating (not sure the 147's are offered yet ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhunt91 Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 also as to what will feed besta in a m&p Pro5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I have only cfe and autocomp left ( can probably trade for others ) Don't waste that stuff in a Production gun !?! trade it to an Open shooter for some Titegroup, Clays or something else at the faster end of the chart: http://www.hodgdon.com/burn-rate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtp Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Okay thanks was just wondering on powder mainly I have only cfe and autocomp left ( can probably trade for others ) Im leaning towards 135 or 147gr bib depends on what he is offering in the hytek coating (not sure the 147's are offered yet ) Both of those are pretty slow - for that matter, I believe they're right next to each other on the burn chart. I'm starting to question how much of a difference people can actually feel across powders, assuming loading for 9mm Minor, and loading to the same PF, with the same bullet. I can feel the difference between, e.g. PF of 130 and PF of 135 using the same powder and projectile in my Glock or PPQ, but not at all on my (heavier, steel framed) CZ. Meanwhile, I got my best friend set up in reloading, with the only pistol powder available at the time being HS6, which is mostly used for Major. I've been loading MG 124gr JHPs with 3.7gr Titegroup, 1.065" OAL for a PF of 130-131 lately, compared to his load of MG 124gr JHP with 6.0gr of HS6, ~1.10" OAL, making a PF of 132. I didn't do the test (running out of time), but loaded up a half mag alternating 2x MG TG, 2x MG HS6, and had him run through it in a Glock, asking if he felt any noticeable difference. I'll have to do the test myself next time out, but he said he wasn't able to tell the 'feel' apart, which did seem strange/surprising, but once I lock in on a load, I'm usually knocking out a bunch of them same powder/bullet/charge vs comparing different powders back to back. Going to a heavier bullet will certainly reduce felt recoil either way, though I didn't feel CFE-P at ~130PF was much of a kick last time I loaded it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trgt Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I'm running BBI 147 with VV N320 3.3gr very soft, 132 PF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Definately get yourself some faster powder and heavier bullets. Look for some titegroup, solo1000, e3, PB, or some medium fast burners like 231 or SR7625 would be better than what you have been using. The softest feeling load I shoot is 2.85gr of titegroup under a 150gr Bayou SWC, it is rediculously soft and makes a 134 PF, pretty accurate as well. Also 3.3gr Solo1000 under the same bullet is almost as soft at the same PF. Other very soft loads I like are 3.4gr titegroup or 3.3gr e3 under a 135 Bayou or Ibejihead RN, make about 135PF, 3.4gr SR7625 under a Lucky13 147gr LRN shoots a very soft 130PF and is very accurate. 3.77gr SR7625 under a 125gr MBC SWC makes a soft 125PF. A super soft steel challenge load I shoot is 3.4gr titegroup under a 100gr Ibejihead SWC at 1.04OAL, very accurate, only makes a 109PF and you will need reduced powder recoil springs for function, but it is like shooting a .22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I'm running BBI 147 with VV N320 3.3gr very soft, 132 PF If I ever get some free time, I'm going to try some 160 gr bullets with N320. I looking for a good 3 gun load (minor) to shoot in an Open gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdinga Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Try 3.6 grains of WST and the 147 Bayou. Very soft shooting. Freakshow shared his mojo load of 4.0 grains of WSF and a 147 bullet. I tried this with the X treme heavy plate 147 RN and Zero 147 JHP-both produced excellent results. Everyone has a preference-I prefer 147's powered by either WSF or WST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1gcountry Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Have you ever shot 125s with wst? I'm looking for a decent 9mm minor load, and I have a lot of wst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdinga Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 4.6 -5.0 grains of WST and the 124/125 of your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atvman400 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Have you ever shot 125s with wst? I'm looking for a decent 9mm minor load, and I have a lot of wst. I'm shooting 4.0gr of WST behind a 125 Blue bullet at 1.165 OAL to get around 130 PF out of a 5" STI since I'm almost out of clays Super soft, like clays, but not as clean. I personally think 231, which alot of people seem to like, is ALOT more harsh recoil wise. I've got some 124 MG CMJ's loaded and ready to be chorno'd next time I get to the range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grouptherapy Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I shoot a 125 coated sns cast bullet. Medium load of power pistol and shoot extremely accurate with speed. But after shooting 40 major for so long it's like tiny recoil for me. New shooter try the 40 with flinch from my experience but pick up this 9 load and hit on target with much ease and confidence. I load at 1.080. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronicTwitch Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 4.0gr WST with 124gr Extreme FP at 1.085" OAL runs around 130pf (temp sensitive) and feels like .22's coming out of my heavy CZ TS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent #1911 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 4.6 -5.0 grains of WST and the 124/125 of your choice. that seems excessive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I have never felt a load, that will always make PF, softer than 3.1 of N310 with Berrys 147 @ 1.160". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njl Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 4.6 -5.0 grains of WST and the 124/125 of your choice. that seems excessive. Agreed. 4.5gr WST is good enough for 124gr jacketed bullets. Coated lead should be able to make PF with less powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWprotected Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 My WST 9mm load is 4.6gr., Xtreme 124gr. FP seated at 1.08" this load made 137 PF at VA/MD section match. I find it to be pretty soft, could probably try 4.4 and still be fine but when I was working up this load 4.6 was more accurate. This was shot from my M&P pro with 5 inch barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dauntedfuture Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 For what its worth i'm sold on SOLO 1000 for 9mm with 146 FMJs. Other then some of us competition types, its not a too popular powder and you used-to-could find it out there. I have not bought any in some time. I used to shoot lead or coated 147 9mm but switched to a proper FMJ and have not looked back. I loaded to 127-130 PF for minor and have never looked back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Hello: Another option to look at is your recoil spring setup. Not sure which gun you have so can't tell you what to look at. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Hello: Another option to look at is your recoil spring setup. Not sure which gun you have so can't tell you what to look at. Thanks, Eric Good point, the springs are an integral part of the 'feel' of the recoil impulse. When people say they're "waiting on the gun to cycle" with heavy bullets, I suspect if they were running a heavier recoil spring their front sight would snap back on target faster. I know I personally have felt 147s were a little "sluggish" when I didn't change my springs with the load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njl Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Thing is, if you're looking for softer recoil, you're not going to go with a heavier recoil spring, as that'll require more powder to cycle the slide, and more powder = more recoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 I'm not suggesting you use such a heavy spring you need to add powder to get the slide to cycle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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