JGus Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I was interested in this CZ advertised on Gunbroker. It say's "CZ SP-01 Shadow 9mm CZ Custom Shop Gun." But, the slide doesn't have "Shadow" rollmarked on the slide. Don't all Shadows have the Shadow rollmark on the slide, or were there some built that didn't? I have two Shadows and they both have "Shadow" rollmarked on the slide. I was thinking it was an SP01 with upgrades to put it to Shadow level, but the ad say's it doesn't have a firing pin block. And I know standard SP01's have a firing pin block. So, could this be a Shadow? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=444468126 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGus Posted September 28, 2014 Author Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) Oh, and I've emailed the seller asking for clarification but have yet to get a response. So thought maybe a benos member might know if it could still be a Shadow? Edited September 28, 2014 by JGus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thompsoncustom Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) That is not a shadow I just briefly looked at the first picture you can see the hole for the cross pin the holds the firing pin in place.this is done on guns with a firing pin block. Shadows use a rear plate to hold the firing pin in place. I would pass sounds like a scam. Edited September 28, 2014 by thompsoncustom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onechance Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) Yeah mine is roll marked shadow on the side. Also in some of the pictures is the 9x19 backwards, might just be angle? Edited September 28, 2014 by onechance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trgt Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 That is not a shadow I just briefly looked at the first picture you can see the hole for the cross pin the holds the firing pin in place.this is done on guns with a firing pin block. Shadows use a rear plate to hold the firing pin in place. I would pass sounds like a scam. Agreed, something is not right between statement "The slide has no firing pin block and that helps to smooth the trigger pull and improve distance of trigger reset." and a picture that clearly shows the firing pin block normal SP01 top end. Its possible the gun has been modified by custom shop, they do great work on all CZ. You can see upgraded sights, metal recoil rod, competition hammer in pictures, as well as VZ tactical diamond grips. If you remain interested, you can get the serial # of the gun from the seller, CZ Custom can confirm the work that was done to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Date on the gun is 05, it's an SP01. Not a Shadow. It may have work done to make it Shadow-esque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) delete.. Edited September 28, 2014 by eerw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) and delete Edited September 28, 2014 by eerw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGus Posted September 28, 2014 Author Share Posted September 28, 2014 Appreciate the info everyone. Good call on the cross pin hole that holds the firing pin. I didn't even pay attention to that. Just noticed the absence of Shadow rollmark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftee Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 The thumb safeties also differ from those used on the Shadow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon49erfan Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) That is not a shadow I just briefly looked at the first picture you can see the hole for the cross pin the holds the firing pin in place.this is done on guns with a firing pin block. Shadows use a rear plate to hold the firing pin in place. I would pass sounds like a scam. Agreed, something is not right between statement "The slide has no firing pin block and that helps to smooth the trigger pull and improve distance of trigger reset." and a picture that clearly shows the firing pin block normal SP01 top end. I dont see whats wrong with the statement if the seller pulled the firing pin block. The fact he called it a Shadow when it isnt, is incorrect though. Edited September 28, 2014 by jon49erfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Calling an SP01 with a few simple upgrades a Shadow is a flat out lie. Seeing as though Shadows are hot USPSA Production division guns and this gun is not Production legal, this seller should be tarred and feathered!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trgt Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Agreed, something is not right between statement "The slide has no firing pin block and that helps to smooth the trigger pull and improve distance of trigger reset." and a picture that clearly shows the firing pin block normal SP01 top end. I dont see whats wrong with the statement if the seller pulled the firing pin block. I should have been more specific - it would have been acceptable to say "This SP-01 slide has had the firing pin block removed, and that helps ....", but as written it's a cut/paste statement about a shadow slide which this isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alma Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 The thumb safeties also differ from those used on the Shadow. Right, but the auction describes them like this: "This Shadow has widened and slightly extened ambi safties." wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czhase Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 There goes my plan to by $600 SP 01's add a $350 barrel bushing and sell them as a $1,700 Accu shadow. Oh well, back to the drawing board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bthoefer Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 It's probably a scam and I would not get involved, there is a chance the post is just using stock pictures and they are not pictures of the actual gun. Just playing devil's advocate and that post is probably fraud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) Just playing devil's advocate and that post is probably fraud. Devil's prosecutor, perhaps? Edited September 28, 2014 by kneelingatlas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bthoefer Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Just playing devil's advocate and that post is probably fraud. Devil's prosecutor, perhaps? Lol. Just feeling feisty. Really more like devil's underpaid public defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGus Posted September 29, 2014 Author Share Posted September 29, 2014 (edited) Someone has bid the opening price of $999 on this gun advertised in every way as a CZ custom shop Shadow. I'm sure the person has no idea it's NOT an actual Shadow as there is nothing in the listing that say's it ISN'T a Shadow. I have to believe the listing seller is intentionally being deceptive by listing it as a Shadow and not an upgraded SP01 with the FPB removed. Looks like several more pictures were added yesterday that clearly show where the firing pin block has been removed, the sear area, and close up pictures of the slide. BUT, the ad still clearly states several times that it is a Shadow. Edited September 29, 2014 by JGus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Can't you report the listing to the GB staff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beckham Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I email the seller asking him last night to see if he knew what the part number was for the Shadow and he responded with the following: "Actually no. It was built by Angus and there may not be an exact model # as it is not a standard production gun." I then asked him if he had the build sheet or an invoice. He is yet to respond. I will let you know if he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) Update: the seller got back to me and was a bit irritated with my tone, but after a quick conversation let me know he plans to pull the auction, get the build sheet from CZC and re post with a scan of it Edited September 30, 2014 by kneelingatlas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGus Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) I think he is asking a fair price for the gun (starting bid is $999) with all the work done to it to upgrade it to Shadow level. However, he shouldn't be advertising it as a Shadow. The title says "Shadow," the description of the gun says "Shadow." He wants everyone to believe it's a Shadow. It's all misleading. If someone is buying it as a plinker, fine. If someone is buying it to shoot Production, it's not legal in it's current set up with FPB removed. The gun already has a bidder, and the ad is still up. I doesn't look like the ad is being pulled. But, as long as the buyer KNOWS what he is getting, it's all good for the buyer. So hopefully the buyer knows it's not an actual Shadow model. Edited October 1, 2014 by JGus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trgt Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 The most ethical thing is to advertise what it is - base model, plus enhancements/options. That's the way CZC's build sheet will show it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beckham Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Seller just responded to my request for an invoice or a build sheet. His response looks like it was a cut and pasted from another email (probably from kneelingatlas) as the sellers name is Denny. Response: Hi Denny Did some checking for you. the pistol you have is an SP01, I do not have the build sheet on it. but I did find your gunbroker auction From the photos, it looks like it would have the build of the time. action job with comp hammer , remove firing pin block, pre B sear, comp rear sight, FO front. would imagine the barrel is polished , SS guide rod. 11# recoil spring. it is not an SP01 Shadow. First Shadows were around 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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