stuart1 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Just got one of these and I really like it. What kind of gun games can I shoot it in and would perhaps be competitive (if I were)? Thanks, Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waltermitty Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 ICORE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatJones Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 ICORE is 6 shot neutral. Steel challenge courses use 5 shots, that leaves you two misses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOF Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 The 986, as noted, can play well in ICORE, but is really best in Steel Challenge. You can also play USPSA Revolver Minor, but since most arrays require double taps the extra round can mess up a shot plan, so you'll likely be reloading after 6 anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cd662 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 I think a 7 shot gun would make a terrible ICORE gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Steel Challenge is the only competitive home I see for a 7 shooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWP Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 I think a 7 shot gun would make a terrible ICORE gun. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Freeman Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 I think a 7 shot gun would make a terrible ICORE gun. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOF Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 A 7 shot gun suffers the same ills in ICORE as an 'odd round count gun' does in USPSA. But, with the six shot neutral Rule it is not a disadvantage. If, in an ICORE match, you have a long steel array, that 7 shot gun gives you one extra miss you don't have to worry about. It can be an advantage in that situation, but 'not so much' on paper. That is the same situation you find in Steel Challenge, as Gregg K pointed out. You have five targets in an array. With a six shot revo will have to slow down after your first miss or face a reload on the clock. With a 7 shooter you don't have to slow after the first miss because you have that one extra round. It can make a difference and a 7 shoot revo can be an ADVANTAGE in Steel Challenge, while it is not a DISADVANTAGE in ICORE. If you like the gun "go forth and play" . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cd662 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 It's a huge disadvantage against other 8 shot guns. There are times where you reload in between arrays and there are times when you don't. Any time you carry shots over, you're at a disadvantage. You're at a capacity disadvantage and a mental disadvantage because your plans are going to be more complicated since you have to remember what target you shot with one round. OP, the 7 shot gun would be best suited for plate matches or Steel Challenge, but the difference between the L and the N frame versus an extra bullet capacity...go for the extra round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWP Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 I didn't see too many spots where a 7 shot would have been a disadvantage at the IRC. More people had a harder time trying to break down the 6 round arrays by using all 8 rounds. And a 6 shooter finished 9th, I don't think he was at a disadvantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Freeman Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 It's a huge disadvantage against other 8 shot guns. There are times where you reload in between arrays and there are times when you don't. Any time you carry shots over, you're at a disadvantage. You're at a capacity disadvantage and a mental disadvantage because your plans are going to be more complicated since you have to remember what target you shot with one round. OP, the 7 shot gun would be best suited for plate matches or Steel Challenge, but the difference between the L and the N frame versus an extra bullet capacity...go for the extra round. Very rarely have I been to an ICORE match where a 6 shooter was at a disadvantage. The rulebook even says 6 shot neutral stages... USPSA/IPSC is a very different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cd662 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 The OP can decide for himself. More ammo is always better than less ammo. If 6 shooters were always equal in Limited, wouldn't more people be running them? Why would you want to potentially end an array with one shot on a target and have to memorize a stage plan to accommodate this happening multiple times? It makes no sense. I think the 7 shot gun is mostly a novelty. They probably had tooling left over from all the 686+s and figured they could sell a 9mm version as an additional model type. MWP - Josh Lentz is an exceptional shooter. If he shot an 8 shot gun, he would not have been in 9th place. Josh shoots SSR in IDPA. If I gave him a snub nose Taurus 5 shot gun, I'm sure he'd beat a lot of SSR shooters. Would the logical conclusion be that the 5 shot gun is an optimal choice for IDPA? The whole ICORE 6 shot neutral thing is supposed to make sure a 6 shot gun can complete any given stage without a ton of difficulty. That does not mean that every stage is going to have identical opportunity to an 8 shot gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 ICORE does have a 6 shot neutral rule but even then I have seen stages that favor an 8 shooter. All a 7 shooter in ICORE is going to do is to allow you to miss once and in ICORE you can't be missing anyway so for me in ICORE if you are going to carry more than 6 it would be best to go to the 8 shooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alecmc Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Regardless, I think 8 shot is, and will be, the most popular gun for limited, being 6 neutral or not. I come up to a plate rack or Texas star at 15+ yards or something I'd rather have the extra shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWP Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I do agree that Josh us a monster with the 6, and anything else you give him. And I also think that the 8 is the way to go. I just think the 7 is ok for ICORE as well, it keeps the stage plan simple and allows a make up shot. But you guys are right, I wouldn't field one. The only person I talked to about one said they just didn't like the N frame weight. The 986 is a strange animal. I'm surprised they didn't just do a 5" 8 shot. Even the 686+ makes more sense as a home defense gun, a spare round with full house ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihocky2 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 The 7 shot has some room in ICORE and is fine for steel plate games. For ICORE you plan like you have a 6 shooter and have the 7th for make-up shots. The extra shot is a lot better than a C or a miss with a 6 shot and having to either eat the penalty or an extra reload. Stages are supposed to be 6 shot neutral, though the are not always. But even in stages that save a reload with an 8-shot I have seen guys take odd paths and extra time just to squeeze those extra 2 rounds out and save a reload instead of shooting 6 dropping 2 live rounds. If the opportunity is there to save a reload and gain time with an 8-shot, great. But you shouldn't be forcing yourself to shoot all eight just because you have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHicks Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 There are ICORE stages where a shooter with an 8 shot gun can engage another target that's visible, sometimes saving a reload or some movement. Some stages there is no advantage. The 7 shooters will be competing against the 8 shooters though. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
art mc Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I shoot an open 8 shot. ICORE paper stages I usually break everything in 6 shot arrays, it's just easier to keep on track and prevents standing reloads. 8 shot's do have an advantage on steel stages such as the star. Just my opinion. If your are moving most likely will be reloading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rottenit Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Bowling Pins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alecmc Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 So if 7 is good.... 8 must be better. 7 is just an odd number to have, I really dont see the point in it, unless you really prefer the feel of a K frame over an N frame and dont compete with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatJones Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Bowling Pins! 9 mm is a bit light for pins isn't it? Besides, 9 pin would require a reload. Carmony has more experience with pins than I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rottenit Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 We shoot 5 pin tip over with 9mm. auto loaders are allowed 8 rounds so it's better than 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rottenit Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Depends on the club and the events i suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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