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Hey folks, I've been running club matches at the newest and only Virginia ICORE club. We are hosting our first annual championship match. We're stuck shooting indoors so don't expect the IRC, but entry is cheap (35 bucks). Additionally, ICORE has offered to give 1 dollar memberships for all new ICORE members for the first year of their active membership if they sign up during or after this match. See below for our match bulletin. ---- Dust off your wheelguns and join us on Sunday, November 21 for the 2021 Hampton Roads Revolver Championship. This is a sanctioned, revolver action shooting match for the International Confederation of Revolver Enthusiasts. Membership in ICORE is NOT required, and all interested competitors will receive their annual membership to ICORE for only $1.00 (normally $30 for the first year). Competitors will shoot roughly 180 rounds over the course of 6 stages. First time competitor? Need equipment? No problem! Fellow LGC members will have equipment for you to borrow. Almost any revolver can be used in this format! To register, sign up on Practiscore. REGISTER HERE: https://practiscore.com/lgc-icore-10-31-2021/register Date: Sunday, November 21 Check in begins 0700, firing begins 0800. Round count: 180, bring at least 200. Divisions: All ICORE divisions and special recognition categories acknowledged. Awards: Awards to be ordered after the match. 1st place in the Open, Limited, Classic, and Limited 6 divisions will be awarded trophies or medals. Additional awards will be given to class leaders and special recognition categories if there are 3 competitors or more in that group. For example, if there are 8 competitors in the Limited division ranked as C class, awards for 1st C Class and 2nd C class will be given. If there are four competitors shooting rimfire revolvers, an award for 1st place rimfire revolver will be given. Prizes: Random draw prizes will be distributed. Classification: A current ICORE classification is NOT required. One classifier will be ran during the match.

Edited for clarity. Referring to the 2021 IRC.

I don't have Facebook so sorry if this is on there. I could have sworn I saw something about being able to sign up for different time slots for the classifier match on Thursday. None of this information is on Practiscore or the ICORE homepage. Does anyone have any info on the classifier match for the IRC?

Jrs - C2 is where I had in mind. They are open to match ideas. RevoWood123 - I have no idea. There is no USPSA in my area and competing is on the back burner for me since I have extremely limited opportunity to practice at the moment.

It would probably be around Virginia Beach. Jrswanson, it is pretty crazy. I moved here recently.

Are there any wheelguns guys in Virginia or who would be willing to travel from a nearby state to VA if I could get an ICORE match going, some equivalent to a state championship?

In the past, there was an Open 6 sub category. Sounds right up your alley.

The IRC is still going to be about accuracy. It's unreasonable to have a national championship where pretty much the entire fate of the match lies on the shoulders of a stage that 90% of people can't practice.The best shooters are still the best shooters, regardless of Far and Near being there. Don't imply the game is watered down by removing it without having any idea of what stages will be presented in lieu of that. In fact, the recently concluded USPSA Revolver Nationals should show you how much challenge you can have in a match without requiring Bianchi Cup style shooting at 50 yards.

Hey Enosverse - I haven't had the opportunity to post online too much since I don't have a computer right now. I have a background in action shooting sports (IDPA, USPSA, and ICORE) but I've been on a hiatus due to my enlistment in the Air Force. I've been investigated the Excellence in Competition format. I'm primarily hoping to get involved in a match and I'm also strongly interested in organizing a match at the base. I am not familiar with CMP, NRA, or the military specific rules so I've been gradually acquainting myself with them as time permits. The big challenge I see to CMP participation are some of the requirements, and the subsequent number of matches (or lack thereof). If every civilian competitor requires a notarized document to compete, I could see why its hard to get walk ins. I'm currently at Goodfellow AFB. Are there any matches I could shoot in the area that would qualify for Air Force recognition? I realize the Air Force qualifying events are not the same as all of the CMP ones. Secondly, has anyone on here organized matches at their bases, or is anyone involved in this format of competition (civilian or military) that would be willing to give me some information? Thanks in advance!

"If we have an honest look at our divisions they are either a stagnant formula (Open, Limited) , a rules stagnant formula ( SS, Production) or a place to hide( L10, revolver)." Soo...you don't like USPSA at all?

6 round neutral is not why these stages are they way they are. The postal match was designed to be easy to set up and shoot, including at indoor ranges. I think they could have been more creative in designing the stages. That having been said, I guarantee the people who are the best at running around and shooting things, or shooting classifiers, or shooting strong and weak hand only at matches are also going to be the best at the postal match. It can take a surprising amount of effort to set up the exact same stage, nevermind trying to get multiple people to do it correctly at different clubs.

I don't think 99.9999% of people are ever going to game something like this. Could someone do it? Yeah, sure, they'd probably do it once or twice and call it a day. No one is going to plan offing their muffs constantly and intentionally. Personally, I double plug. I am hearing sensitive and want to preserve as much as I can for as long as I can. The people putting in one pair of ear plugs from the dollar store and having them not even be all the way in and then shooting Open guns, that's their choice to make.

Chris Comer made the definition so we can end the thread, but I have to end with a response. "Basically, you could have saved us both time by stating that you had no ideas about preserving six shot neutrality, you preferred eight shot revolvers, and you didn't want to discuss clever stage design. My ideas may not be the answer, but what if they evoke a thought from someone else that is? USPSA had their rule change drastically alter the game in that division with the acceptance of eight shot revolvers. All thanks to folks that didn't pay attention to anything but what they wanted and stated great things about improved participation. It didn't hold water and drove all the six shot minor guns back into the safe. " Why do people take everything in life so personally? It's cause for high blood pressure. I'm glad you made a bunch of erroneous assumptions. Every single major ICORE match I have shot since I started my participation in ICORE has been with a 6 shot classic gun, with the exception of last year's IRC where I put in a Limited entry with a 6 shot Model 625 competing in the Limited 6 sub category. I have also been overtly critical of stages that carry a high "train wreck" risk for 6 shot guns because I don't think it's fair for them. I posted an example of a good stage in my other post and you clearly didn't take the time to read it. This is the problem with America right now. Everyone thinks that if someone has a different opinion than them, it's a personal attack and that other person deserve a retaliatory insult. It's amazing. You have no idea about my ICORE track record, my push for fair and equitable competition in stages, or how much I have supported 6 shot guns. I competed in two USPSA Area championships with a 6 shot gun USING SPEEDLOADERS and MINOR SCORING. But yeah, I'm just one of those big 8 shot jerks that's trying to kill ICORE and make people's guns obsolete. It's definitely not like I'm hosting a sanctioned match and giving out an award for Limited 6. Nope. Good job man, you win the internet prize.

Forrest - There are realities that have to be faced in action shooting. Not every gun is going to be optimal for every division. ICORE examined the prospects of creating a Limited 6 division and they didn't go for it. The people that want to shoot ICORE in Limited and who want to be competitive are going to buy an 8 shot gun. The only people that have 6 shot moonclip guns for the most part are people who shot IDPA Enhanced Service Revolver or shot USPSA where the 625 was the only game in town. The 625 and the 610 pretty much are useless guns aside from those gaming purposes. No one wants to buy a 625 to shoot at the range for fun. It's expensive, it requires moonclips, and the ammo is more expensive. The vast majority of casual, entry level shooters are going to be running 6 shot guns chambered in 38 Special or 357 magnum. If you really want to be competitive in Limited or Open, you have to buy an 8 shot gun. That's just what it is. The game has been like that ever since the 8 shot guns came out. There is nothing that says that a 6 shot gun has to be able to be as good as an 8 shot gun in the overall standings. Someone brought up that Josh Lentz places very well in the overall - no kidding, the man is a beast with a revolver. That's not the case for most individuals. The IRC had some stages that were 35 or even over 40 rounds if I recall over the past few years. People dropped loading devices and didn't have enough ammunition to finish the stage. That's some pretty high round count stuff, but the majority of these discussions are based on course design for the local match. If you have a field course like Bosshoss mentioned, you could develop a stage where makeup shots could be made at a shooting position. That would be a good stage. A lot of ICORE stages are also stand and shoot affairs, and many frequently utilize shooting boxes. There's really not a TON of creativity you can have. 6 shot guns are still going to try to group their plan into groups of 5 or 6 shots, and if that isn't available, they will reload early to return to that. The plan could be 5 shots, 4 shots, 6 shots, 4 shots, and 6 shots. You're still looking at the same number of reloads either way, unless you want to carry one round in the cylinder, shoot once, and do a standing reload. This is a terrible idea from a competitive standpoint. So no, I do not think there should be a same number of reloads between 6 and 8 shot guns, there was no typo made. If you have an 16 round stage, an 8 shot can do it with one reload, a 6 shot can do it with 2. If you're a clever stage designer, you can make it so the 8 shot gun SHOULD reload for the sake of being more efficient (moving while reloading). We don't have to offset anything. These topics keep coming up over and over, regardless of discipline. Everyone wants to make everything equal and it's kind of ridiculous. Shooting games have an inherent cost to them. Should it be a race to the best gear? No. When it comes to revolver though, if you want to be competitive, it's going to cost a few hundred dollars no matter how you slice it. There aren't a lot of good gun smiths, the gear isn't commonly available, etc etc etc. If someone enjoys shooting Limited and really wants to be competitive, they need an 8 shot gun. If anything, ICORE has traditionally been an 8 shot game, not a 6 shot. That was a big reason why Craig pushed for the formation of the Retro (eventually, Classic) division. You would have to start coming up with arbitrary score changes for every gun. "If this gun isn't chamfered, it has a big disadvantage from a chamfered gun, so subtract X time per shot. But this other gun is chambered in 40, so the bullet is only slightly bigger than a 358 caliber bullet but it has moonclips so it has a faster reload than a 6 shot speedloader gun but a capacity disadvantage, so it should have this other time modifier. And let's not leave out the Webley 455 shooters, it takes longer for them to break the guns in half and shove them back together, that necessitates an offset." This isn't supposition. Someone always has these ideas for USPSA and IDPA on how to take some gun type that not a lot of people shoot and make it "even". Other sports don't do this. Things are classed with similar things. That keeps it fair. If there was a 50/50 split of 6 to 8 shot Limited shooters, maybe I could see it as a more pressing issue. The IRC last year barely had any Classic OR Limited 6 shooters. I think there were only 3 Open 6 shooters. ICORE has offered a work around. If there are that many people shooting 625s or 610s (and 610s are pretty rare guns), the match director can recognize the Limited 6 shot sub category. If you have a sanctioned match, you can offer an award for it. I don't understand why this is so complicated and why it comes up constantly. ICORE desperately needs new shooters and new blood and we're still spinning the wheels on a discussion that's been had about 4 times on here over the past 6 months in various threads.