GvU Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 About 1111 euro's in Germany. (I just looked where the picture originated.) Brand new development as it has not appeared on the Tanfoglio webpages. I wonder isn't it time for a weight limit in IPSC Production? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midvalleyshooter Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Perhaps the only rule change needed concerns scoring. Lets call it "Weighted Comstock Scoring." Score divided by time multiplied by weight of fully loaded pistol, in ounces:) MVS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 The "arms race" certainly seems to be heating up in Production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 The "arms race" certainly seems to be heating up in Production. They should have a capacity limit of 15+1 rounds in IPSC PD. That would take care of it I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 The "arms race" certainly seems to be heating up in Production. They should have a capacity limit of 15+1 rounds in IPSC PD. That would take care of it I think Gee, seems to me USPSA solved that by imposing the ten round limit. And I'd prefer ten to 15 every day..... USPSA Production: Any autoloader in any caliber holding 10 rounds can be effective. IPSC Production: Any autoloader achieving x rounds of 9mm only can offer an advantage. X can vary from month to month.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 [Thread drift mode on] Nik, I fully agree with you. OTOH, if it wasn't for the AWB I doubt that the USPSA would have a 10 round limit. I think the ban "saved" your PD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eye Cutter Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 The "arms race" certainly seems to be heating up in Production. They should have a capacity limit of 15+1 rounds in IPSC PD. That would take care of it I think It is the firearms manufacturers that are the ones coming out with products that the ipsc community want! So I believe that it is a good thing and will benefit everybody in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcoliver Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 I'm trying to justify the cost of a reload. Is it worth the cost of the new tanfog with it's 21-round capcity and not having to reload anymore? Frankly, I wish we had a 10-round limit. That way, I have more choices in guns for PD. ...on second thought, naah! : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdj Posted October 6, 2004 Author Share Posted October 6, 2004 I made it out to a gun store to fiddle with the various guns that are on the short list. I didn't like the feel of many but both the CZ-75B and the B92 felt good. Given all the other factors, I think the CZ is the way to go for me. Neither the upcoming model nor the 85 are on the infamous CA list, so that makes the choices simpler. Next question: If I buy an out of the box CZ-75B, who do I then take it to, to take maximum advantage of the production rules and make it the best gamer gun it can be Thanks, Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 Angus. Drop it off at A2, have him ship it to you when finished. http://www.ghostholster.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus Hobdell Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 IF I had my desires in production I would do a couple of things, 1 Limited the capacaity to 15 +1 stop the magazine race it is not neccessary anyway we have proved that with the 10 rnd in the US. 2 Limit the overal cost of the Firearm to say $750.00 US Retail as a stable bench mark 3 Unloaded weight limit 4 Bring back the box Now the manufactuerers would have to come out with their latest Limted gun with a DA trigger and only be able to charge say $750.00 Lets face it folks I really though PD was going to be a sort of Grass roots division allowing shooters to get onto the field for a smaller amount of money maybe $900 in total. It is going far beyond that, I was realy enjoying the "retro" IPSC, reminisenent of single stack 45 without the bang. Now there is becoming way too much "STUFF" going on. Hey some one do me a favour when it stop and they decide what to do someone email me the new rules. my .02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 Frankly, I wish we had a 10-round limit. That way, I have more choices in guns for PD. McOliver, my thoughts exactly. Eye Cutter, I think it's good that manufacturers develop new guns that are "better", but I don't like the fact that some good guns become "obsolete" because there is not enough room for bullets in the magazine. Beretta 92, CZ-75, H&K USP, etc. All good guns, but handicapped, because they only have 15+1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 One thing I missed in the advices given is the placement of the safety. Some people suggested some S&W models, or the Beretta 92. I personally would never go for these pistols, as they have the safety mounted on the slide. This is just a personal thing, it is nothing functional. My first gun ever was a Taurus PT99. I still prefer that one over a Beretta, because of the slide-mounted safety on the Beretta. That Tanfoglio Stock looks really nice though. Personally I want to buy a Sig 226ST some time, but that is just because I *gotta* have that gun :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 One thing I missed in the advices given is the placement of the safety. If the gun is solely used for production, why would the placement of the safety matter? If all is well, the shooter will never have to manipulate it during a course of fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 One thing I missed in the advices given is the placement of the safety. If the gun is solely used for production, why would the placement of the safety matter? If all is well, the shooter will never have to manipulate it during a course of fire. Me don't like'em because they'll rip your thumb while attempting a lightnin' fast Tap-Rack-Bang... Apart from that, since a slide-mounted safety usually act as a decocking lever too (e.g. Berettas, Tanfoglio R models, some Taurus, etc.), you'd use it at the start of each COF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 If all is well But that's not very realistic, is it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 I've never encoutered any stage where the safety had to be applied after the beep. So it seems pretty realistic to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 I've never encoutered any stage where the safety had to be applied after the beep. So it seems pretty realistic to me. iPsc and usPsa and all that ... realistic during course of fire doesn't mean realistic in real life ... That thread drift aside, I like the CZ safety because I can rest my thumb on it just like that of a 1911. On a B92 I can't do that. Vlad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdj Posted October 7, 2004 Author Share Posted October 7, 2004 iPsc and usPsa and all that ... realistic during course of fire doesn't mean realistic in real life ... This thread started with a request for advice on the perfect tool for USPSA production, so I claim that "Real Life"tm is largely irrelevant Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eye Cutter Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 does uspsa production division limit magazine capacity to 10 rds even if you have hi cap mags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 does uspsa production division limit magazine capacity to 10 rds even if you have hi cap mags? You can use higher capacity mags, just can't load them past 10... right? Magazine capacity retrictions Yes, 10 rounds maximum in magazine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eye Cutter Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 bummer... with that in mind, your pistol choice for USPSA PD should put premium on ergonomics. what pistol fits and shoots best for you. rock on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 For anybody interested in the new Tanfoglio Stock Custom for Production Division, the Tanfoglio website has been updated with new items and graphics. It sports a mirroring english section, and all details on the new guns. Have a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 Guys, My statement about realism wasn't about realism as in real life. It was about Spook saying "if all is well, you shouldn't have to manipulate the safety". I find that not realistic. Things tend to go wrong now and then and I try to count that in beforehand. And it's not solely about having to manipulate the safety itself, it's also about manipulating a slide with a safety on it. I manipulate my slide gripping it on the back, so any safety mounted there annoys me. That was what I was trying to point out as an advice to consider when looking for a gun. Nothing more, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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