Gun for Production

[Nik Habicht]

but not g34 this not a production gun.

why not?

IPSC Production has a max barrel length restriction of five inches. USPSA has a box instead --- the G-34 fits. As of December 1, 2004, USPSA moves to a list for production --- the G-34 is on it.

[tmckeown]

Hi

Just got my next years Production gun, Tanfoglio Stock-Custom.

Here in Finland price difference between Glock and Tanfoglio is around 300 euros. Tanfoglio Stock-Custom is based on P19(combat) and it has same magazines which takes 17 rounds. Grip is bit thinner than Limited HC but othervise they look and feel the same. Slide and frame is 1,2 cm shorter than Limited HC and the trigger is curved for double action first shot. I shot my first 100 rnds last weekend and it feels great to shoot

Timo Mc

[Eye Cutter]

Angus: when will the competition rear sight for the CZ be available from you? does it include the front sight?

[bulm540]

I tired my friend's EAA/ tangfolio for production. Man I fell in love with the gun. it is a heavy gun and the sights hardly moved from the targets.

[Eye Cutter]

Specifications P226 X-FIVE

Calibre: 9 mm Para, .40 S&W

Conversion kit: 9 mm Para available

Sight base: 182 mm/7.17"

Barrel length: 127 mm/5.0"

Measurements (LxHxW): 224x149x44 mm/8.82x5.87x1.73"

Trigger pull weight: adjustable, SA approx. 1.0 – 1.6 kp/2.20 – 3.53 lbs.

Trigger distance (trigger to rear handle): adjustable, 75 – 65 mm/2.95 – 2.56"

Weight incl. magazine: approx. 1340 g/2.95 lbs.

Magazine capacity:9 mm Para - 19 rounds .40 S&W - 14 rounds

X-Five Standard Features

Extended slide for 5-inch barrel

Extended frame

Manual safety on both sides

Adjustable trigger pull weight

Adjustable trigger distance

Adjustable trigger stop

Short trigger path

Wide curved beavertail

Jet funnel

Cross-grooves on front of the frame

Magazine extension made of light metal

Low adjustable sport sights

Grip grooves on front of the frame

Undercut front sight

Wooden grip plates

my mistake: i thought this pistol was offered in DA/SA. it would be a very nice set-up for PD, though

[Eye Cutter]

Specifications P226 XPRESS

Calibre: 9 mm Para

Sight base: 165 mm/6.50"

Barrel length: 112 mm/4.41"

Measurements (LxHxW): 197x146x41 mm/7.76x5.75x1.61"

Trigger pull weight: approx. SA 1.6 kp/3.53 lbs., DA 4.3 kp/9.48 lbs.

Weight incl. magazine: approx. 1195 g/2.63 lbs

Magazine capacity: 15 rounds

Equipment:

Slide catch lever sport

Decocking lever sport

Standard magazine catch

Hogue rubber grip plates

Standard features on the XPRESS:

Trigger tuning with internal trigger stop

Sport sights LPA SPR

Rubber coated magazine floorplate

Sport barrel (diam. 15 mm/0.59")

[Eye Cutter]

Specifications P 226 SL

Calibre: 9 mm Para

Sight base: 160 mm/6.30"

Barrel length: 112 mm/4.41"

Measurements (LxHxW): 197x139x37 mm/7.76x5.47x1.46"

Trigger pull weight: approx. SA 1.6 kp/3.53 lbs., DA 4.3 kp/9.48 lbs.

Weight incl. magazine: V 1180 g/2.60 lbs.

Magazine capacity: 15 rounds

Equipment:

Standard handling parts

Standard contrast sights

Polymer grip plates

Standard barrel (diam. 13,5 mm)

Internal trigger stop

Standard magazine

[Eye Cutter]

are the sig-sauer pistols popular in USPSA PD and IPSC PD? The sig-sauers costs a small fortune back here in the Philippines compared to the CZ and CZ clones! they sure are very purty, though...

[Eye Cutter]

even the factory is offering a complete ipsc package!

[mcoliver]

...and the race begins!

[John Dunn]

Eye Cutter,

Where do you find more info on the X5, I went to the Sigarma site and couldn't find anything. Just looking at it it, it looks like it is a single action (look at the trigger pull weights!), as such it would not be legal for production division. If it is production legal, I may need to consider getting one for the day I get bit by the production bug.

Thread drift

Why aren't integral magwells standard on all pistols?

[spook]

John & Eye Cutter, the Sig X5 is SA only and meant for Standard/Limited.

[Eye Cutter]

ooops! my bad! i was wondering why it didn't specify a DA pull weight! hahaha! my apologies. but it would be a very nice pistol for PD!

[Eye Cutter]

john: its http://www.sauer-waffen.de

[Eye Cutter]

...and the race begins!

well, i wouldn't mind getting a better mousetrap! wouldn't you?

[Leo Pires]

MY NAME IS LEONARDO AND I'M FROM BRAZIL.

I WANT TO BUY A TANFOGLIO .38 SUPER TO COMPETE IPSC IN DIVISION PRODUCTION, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHICH MODEL CHOOSE: "L", "STOCK" OR "STOCK CUSTOM".

SO, I ASK TO MY FRIENDS OF THIS FORUM HELP ME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[Phil Dunlop]

Hi Leo, I've only shot the Stock Custom in 9mm and thought it was an excellent pistol, suiting my small hands perfectly.

The only critisisms I have after shooting a couple of stages with it (its a friends, not mine) is the double action really needs some work, its much heavier than necessary, and the safety doesn't click into place like a 1911. It just sits there, nothing to retain it like the plunger we are used to. (I know you won't use the safety in Production)

The other thing is cost, its about twice the price of a regular Tanfog Combat, which to me is much more in the spirit of Production Division.

P.D.

[Leo Pires]

SORRY, I FORGOT THE COMBAT MODEL.

HERE IN BRAZIL ONLY MILITAR CAN USE 9mm, SO I MUST CHOOSE .40 OR .38 SUPER, BUT PISTOL IN .38 SUPER HAS MORE CAPACITY.

THANKS.

[Leo Pires]

TWO MORE QUESTION, WHY DOES HAVE THE TANFOGLIO STOCK CUSTOM IN 38 SUPER CAPACITY FOR ONLY 16? DOES HAVE THE MODELS FOR PRODUCTION COMPONENTS TO USE IN LEFT AND RIGHT HANDS?

[jkushner1]

Nothing beats an 18.9 - its the hands down superior platform for a non-glocker. And I have a G-35, and HK Expert amongst others - The Para is out right supremacy in Production. Just load fluffy, heavy 147 grain bullets to about 127-130 PF with an 11 lb recoil spring - end of story.

[Steve Moneypenny]

The para is a sweet gun, very little felt recoil, but i didn't like it's slow reloads. and the long trigger pull drove me nuts waaaayy too much trigger freeze for me.

[Eye Cutter]

I use a Para P18-9 LDA for IPSC production division. It's so easy to shoot but my splits are way slower than when i use my CZ.

[Carlos]

jkushner wrote: "Nothing beats an 18.9 . . . - end of story"

Unless you value short trigger reset. Try this: compare the 18.9 to a gun with extremely short reset like an 85 Combat - particularly since the 85 Combat is factory equiped with a trigger overtravel screw - and see if the 85 Combat's SA trigger does not feel a whole lot like best triggers in Open & Limited i.e., the light, tuned, 1911 trigger. I think the 18.9 is an OK production gun. I simply do not agree that it is (without a doubt) the best.

Looking forward to the long, heavy dust cover CZ, the SP-01. I expect it will do well in Production division.

[mcoliver]

Once Angus spills out his secret on his 19-rounder CZ mags, I don't think people will still consider the Para9 LDA due to the price difference alone. And the first time I tried the LDA, I kept short-stroking the trigger because of the double reset clicks. Why is it like that?

[jkushner1]

No doubt splits suffer somewhat. But you learn to adapt. Somewhat like a revolver - I stage then break - after a while your splits will be pretty close to an SA. On local and regional levels, wheel guns domniate the steel scene which is testimonial that they can be shot fast and accurate. With all that said, my Limited gun is a CZ IPSC ST, so I am a big CZ fan - and I have some of the Fancy 1911's -custom STI, etc - but I still shoot my CZ for Ltd. By the way, Robin Taylor is now making a +2/3 base pad for the CZ 16 round .40 mag, I forget what that equates to in 9mm add'l rounds.

Sincerely,

Jon