jcc7x7 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I'm told the guys in Canada pin their 170 mags to keep them legal at home. how do y'all do this? Need to pin mine for about a year while I'm in NY. then I'll go from there when I go back home to TX thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarpau Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) One method: Drill a hole at a low point of the mag body, Install a spacer strip that limits the travel of the follower to only allow 10 rounds, Pop rivet the spacer to the mag body. Pictured here is a 140mm 9/38 sti mag. Edited January 21, 2013 by sarpau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam B Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 shoot Mike Dame a PM, he is Canadian and is back and fourth all of the time with his mags http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showuser=1371 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 While I agree with Adam .... Mike would know ... PM's wont help the rest of the country who might also want to know how to do this. Should we ever need to do this ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermoto Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 One method: Drill a hole at a low point of the mag body, Install a spacer strip that limits the travel of the follower to only allow 10 rounds, Pop rivet the spacer to the mag body. Pictured here is a 140mm 9/38 sti mag. This is how I did my NJ mags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Would love to see a better pic of the spacer in the above post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walter hornby Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 the spacer is usually just a hunk of aluminum cut to the right length to block the mag follower at about 10.5 rounds. when i get home tonight i will measure mine to give you an idea of length and take pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarpau Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 As mentioned, the spacer is a strip of material that limits the travel of the follower so you can't get the 11th round in. In the pictures above, it is a strip of aluminum. That's how I bought it here in Canada, and is an approved method to our authorities. I'd assume its good to go for any US authorities, but you would have to check with yours to be sure. The one in the picture is about 2 1/4" long, looks to be a 1/8" thick flat bar, wide enough to fit the back of the magazine. In order to do any maintenance to the magazine, you will have to drill out the pop rivet to get the follower out, replace any parts you need to, and the rivet it all back together. Welcome to the wonderful world of capacity restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermoto Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I used the STI 9mm spacers, 2 since the mags is set up for 9mm. It allows me to get to follower out to clean the mag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxshooter Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I would hate to have to drill out pop rivets to change mag springs and followers. Would it be legal to get a set of cheap as in plastic base pads and cut a piece of wood dowel and drill a hole thru the base pad to attach the dowel the proper length to allow only X number of rounds to fit the mag? Then you could just change back to your normal base pads and be good to go. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarpau Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 What is shown is just one method. Could you replace the rivet with a screw so yo can remove the limiter and be legal? That's where you have to learn what is acceptable in the state you are in. removable spacer, dowel limiting follower travel, etc, all accomplish the same thing. Just have to look at the wording of your laws. In Canada, the wording is such that a "permanent" method of restricting the mag capacity is required. Its been common practice to use aluminum pop rivets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFlowers Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Would fixing an aluminum strip to a Dawson Basepad, so it went up the center of the spring and stopped the follower be considered "permanent"? Then have a set of basepads stored out of state/country and only need to switch basepads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walter hornby Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 ok someone is going to have to tell me how to post a picture on here. in the mean time i measured up my bar stock as i didn't have time tonight to drill out my stop. my aluminium bar stock is 0.125 thick and is cut to 0.784 wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted January 22, 2013 Author Share Posted January 22, 2013 Guys THANKS for the ideas and the help and NOT turning it into another political debate. we All know it SUCKS. My idea Nylon plug appox 3 inches long. Trimmed down to fit inside of mag Spring shortened to allow 10 rounds and some space to making loading easy without allowing the eleventh round Secure plug to Dillon base pad. Use the method that meets the legal requirement in your area. This seems Ok with the authorities here. Self admittiedly they don't know either. Their answer was if it only holds 10 I don't care how you do it!!!! Not very comforting but the way I'm going at this point Again thanks, hope to keep thread going to hear from some of the folks from Canada again thanks to all jcc7x7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 at onr time arrendondo made a insert for Para and STI mags that restricted to 10 rounds. While I was in Hawaii using 1 X 2 target stakes to make plugs was the prefered method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 There is a problem for NY. There is NO provision to have pinned mags. All Standard and HiCap mags are prohibited for ownership and use. You might want to re read the act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robb315 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 On the governers FAQ page under magazines it says high cAps can be permanently modified to hold ten. http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walter hornby Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 ok i measured the length of my blocker and it is 3.760 Now if someone tells me how to post pictures or points me to the fight FAQ i will load up a picture of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 On the governers FAQ page under magazines it says high cAps can be permanently modified to hold ten. http://www.governor....gun-reforms-faq Thanks for the link, but the operative word is PERMANTLY modified. The OP wants to revert them back in a year when he returns to Texas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.roberts Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Do the above with the spacer, instead of a rivet, tack weld it in place. When you get to the free world, drill out the weld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgj3 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Seems to me that the rivet would suffice for "permanent". Dont make it any worse than it has to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Seems to me that the rivet would suffice for "permanent". Dont make it any worse than it has to be. Pop rivets can be drilled out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robb315 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 (edited) Seems to me that the rivet would suffice for "permanent". Dont make it any worse than it has to be. Pop rivets can be drilled out. Roll pins can be removed from collapsible stocks, silver solder can be melted out of the pin holding muzzle attachments on, and I'm sure all the limited & open guys were using PRE '93 mags before all this nonsense. M&P 15/22 mags were all 25 rounders. The ten rounders for sale in NY were limited by guess what? A pin to stop the follower. For a game gun with mags that aren't going to be carried, a rivet is a pretty permanent modification that can not be "readily" restored. Better make darn sure you can NOT fit 11 in there though. Your best bet is to ask whoever is in charge of the matches at whatever range you'll be shooting at and see how they are handling the situation. If they're smart, they already have talked to there assemblyman and/or lawyer about how to proceed. S. 2230 24 A. 2388 LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH AMENDED THIS PARAGRAPH AND MAY SO LAWFULLY POSSESS IT THEREAFTER UPON REGISTRATION, SHALL ONLY BE SUBJECT TO PUNISHMENT PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH © OF SUBDIVISION SIXTEEN-A OF SECTION 400.00 OF THIS CHAPTER; provided, that such a license OR REGIS TRATION shall not preclude a conviction for the offense defined in subdivision three of section 265.01 of this article OR SECTION 265.01-A OF THIS ARTICLE. 7-F. POSSESSION AND USE OF A MAGAZINE, BELT, FEED STRIP OR SIMILAR DEVICE, THAT CONTAINS MORE THAN SEVEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION, BUT THAT DOES NOT HAVE A CAPACITY OF OR CAN READILY BE RESTORED OR CONVERTED TO ACCEPT MORE THAN TEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION, AT AN INDOOR OR OUTDOOR FIRING RANGE LOCATED IN OR ON PREMISES OWNED OR OCCUPIED BY A DULY INCORPORATED ORGANIZATION ORGANIZED FOR CONSERVATION PURPOSES OR TO FOSTER PROFICIENCY IN ARMS; AT AN INDOOR OR OUTDOOR FIRING RANGE FOR THE PURPOSE OF FIRING A RIFLE OR SHOTGUN; AT A COLLEGIATE, OLYMPIC OR TARGET SHOOTING COMPETITION UNDER THE AUSPICES OF OR APPROVED BY THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION; OR AT AN ORGANIZED MATCH SANCTIONED BY THE INTERNA TIONAL HANDGUN METALLIC SILHOUETTE ASSOCIATION. Edited January 24, 2013 by robb315 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walter hornby Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 i am going to be at the Florida Open. i will be working so i should be easy to find. if anyone wants to see what/how my blockers work drop by and i will show you since i will have to reinstall them before going back home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted January 24, 2013 Author Share Posted January 24, 2013 Thanks again for all the help. The solution is all of the above regarding how to limit mag. As long as the mag holds ten and is "permanent" its all good. We all no nothing is permanent BUT the idea is you just can't have a "duck Plug" in the mag like the arredondo that comes out when the base pad is taken off. The unless is if the base pad is screwed on the powers to be feel that will pass the test of "permanent" GOD bless Texas thanks y'all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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