Endyo Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) Reliability and consistency are the 2 most important criteria followed by reduced felt recoil produced by the powder/bullet combo and finally I need enough accuracy to shoot a 6inch to man sized target 20-25 yards freehand (IDPA). As long as total cost per round stays somewhere below .20cents around. Reduced noise and muzzle flash and temperature (cold) resistant powders (falls under reliability) are bonuses I'd be willing to pay more for. Constant Variables: -I plan on using 124gr Montana Gold CMJ (which I believe are electroplated). That is about the best I can find as far as bullets go that are IN STOCK. -I run a Glock G34 with 14lb recoil spring -Dillion 650 press -Federal Small Pistol Primers (have 7k of them left) -Brass Casings I am considering ordering Precision Delta 124gr JHP. This is since Hollow Points are said to be "more accurate" due to the uniform base, and center of gravity = more stability. These are on Backorder but are $20 cheaper than the MG I ordered ($90 vs $110) So Which Powder??? Will it be OK to use a faster burning powder due to the plated rounds. Another reason I'm considering the Precision Deltas JHPs on backorder. So far I've narrowed it down to -Titegroup -Solo 1000 -VV 320 -VV 340 (I had bad experience with Winchester WSF nothing against Winchester I just have a bad taste in my mouth from my previous experience would like to try something different) Really leaning heavily towards the VV320. Should I consider the 340 with the Montana Gold CMJ? Edited January 20, 2013 by Endyo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 320 is the best on your list. Clean, very consistent, not temp sensitive. At around 4.0-4.2 grains will cost you about 1.2 cents per round. "Cheaper" powders cost about .8 cents per round so you can afford to buy good powder. After 320 probably Win 231 then S1000. TG is cheap and easy to come by but it burns really hot and some don't like that. I used it for awhile until I made the move to 320. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njl Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 MG CMJ are not electroplated. They're lead with a gas check and then a traditional jacket that wraps around the bullet and partially overlaps the gas check. For 124gr jacketed bullets, I've been very happy with Universal Clays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangeman711 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I use VV340 or Win. AutoComp both work very well. VV is cleaner burning but Auto Comp is cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Ryder Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 N320 all day, every day. After N320, the rest are just ok. My 2nd choice powder in 9mm minor is IMR SR7625 with 4.6 grains under a 124 MG cmj, aol 1.135 yields a PF of 130.4 (last check) out of my G17. I have used Titegroup, and Solo1000 but did not care for them. I am contemplating trying WST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endyo Posted January 20, 2013 Author Share Posted January 20, 2013 MG CMJ are not electroplated. They're lead with a gas check and then a traditional jacket that wraps around the bullet and partially overlaps the gas check. For 124gr jacketed bullets, I've been very happy with Universal Clays. Thank you I'll edit my post. I researched to find out what CMJ was exactly. Not being an expert what I found was that it was electroplated. Since you've informed me this is incorrect I'll defer to your knowledge base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endyo Posted January 20, 2013 Author Share Posted January 20, 2013 I guess the debate lies more between: VV 320 or VV 340 for my current set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endyo Posted January 20, 2013 Author Share Posted January 20, 2013 http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=77741 http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=114000 http://www.silencertests.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=96851&view=previous Ordering 8lbs N320 with a sampling of 1lb N330 (much more expensive than 320) and Titegroup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superdude Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 N340 will produce more recoil than N320 because it will require a bit more of it to produce the same velocity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th3Un4givin Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 This is the exact load ive been using, PD 124gr JHP over 4.1gr of N320 with an OAL of 1.125. Ive tried TG before the VVN320 and must say i think i like the N320 better. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jman93 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 124 MG CMJ & 3.9gr TG @ 1.145 OAL = 131 - 133 pf in my G34. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig Shooter Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Over the holidays I loaded 1000 PD 124 grain and used WSF. Very accurate and the WSF metered well in the 650. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akkid17 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Bummer WSF didn't work for you, that's what I use and it works out for cold since its reverse sensitive and gets faster in winter (not a huge swing 65isf F 1040-1050 fps and at 10ish F 1075-1090 fps) it helped the gun cycle more reliably with the cold. My load: 124 gr MG JHP 4.5 gr WSF OAL 1.095" Shot with M&P 9mm 5" stock barrel. It'll probably get a touch faster when the KKM barrel get put in. Another shooter up here (Alaska) likes WST with 124's and 147's not sure on the charge weights though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizer67 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) N340 and PD124 JHPs for the win. Could never get the velocity I needed from N320 and accuracy was only fair. Love me some PD 124 JHPs. Edited January 23, 2013 by mizer67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 N340 Precision Delta 124 JHP for me. 4.8 gr at and OAL of 1.085 is super accurate in all my 9mm's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob HESS Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Autocomp with the MG 124 JHP works really well for me. I used Winchester primers but don't think I will see a difference when I switch to the federals I bought since Winchester were no where to be found when I was looking a few weeks ago. I've use the autocomp powder for 9mm, .40 and 45 with complete satisfaction. The nice this is I don't have to worry about mixing the powders up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endyo Posted January 23, 2013 Author Share Posted January 23, 2013 Wow I was gone at work and training for a few days. Ton of useful information to pile through here. Still got a few weeks before I start churning out on the press. Looks like the seller on the 650 I was going to purchase has backed out. I'm still shopping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjohn Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 320 is the best on your list. Clean, very consistent, not temp sensitive. At around 4.0-4.2 grains will cost you about 1.2 cents per round. "Cheaper" powders cost about .8 cents per round so you can afford to buy good powder. After 320 probably Win 231 then S1000. TG is cheap and easy to come by but it burns really hot and some don't like that. I used it for awhile until I made the move to 320. I think your powder cost per round is somewhat low at 1.2 cents per load. 7000 grains to a 1lb container Average 4.1 grains per load (your data) = 1707 loads per container 1707 loads x $ 0.012 (your data) = $20.49 per 1 lb container for N320 I have never seen that price in recent history. or 28000 grains to a 4lb container Average 4.1 grains per load (your data) = 6829 loads per container 6829 loads x $ 0.012 (your data) = $81.95 per 4 lb container for N320 I have never seen that price in recent history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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