Rynnäkökivääri 62 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 It's my first scope so I am not sure if I expected too much from it, but the narrow eye box that requires a very careful placement of the head at high magnification has been hard for me to live with. I used to have an aimpoint so maybe I've been spoiled. I'm currently the only one in my whole club with a 1-6x scope so I haven't had much chance in comparing with other people. Most people here use irons or aimpoints, so I ask the question here. Do other 1-6 scopes have as narrow an eye box as this scope does? What are your experiences? I've also been wondering about 1-4x scopes, do they give greater "flexibility"? I was told by some guy on a forum the increased magnification range of these scopes in combination with the small objective contribute to a narrower eye box and other issues. I have been starting to contemplate trying to find myself an ACOG TA11, since I've heard is that it's a top notch optic with a giant eyebox that makes it great for fast shooting from various positions. I would dearly like to try one but they are practically unheard of here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgj3 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I like mine. I agree that the eyebox is a little less forgiving, but I grabbed an extra-exfended mount to get it a little further forward on the rifle and that seemed to help. Im not looking for a different optic at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rynnäkökivääri 62 Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) I have the recon X mount and I don't need to get it further away really, on 6.5x I need to move closer infact. Edited January 3, 2013 by Rynnäkökivääri 62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphamikefoxtrot Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I like mine. The eyebox isn't an issue for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Yes, I have 2 1-6 scopes and as the magnification goes up, the eyebox does narrow down some. I had to re-position my usual scope position to adjust to this. Now that I have them mounted correctly for my eyes/cheek weld, I never really have problems getting the scope up on target, unless it's a really odd position and then I have to work at it a little sometimes. I did notice with my 1-4 scopes before that they were more forgiving but you give up the power also, it's all a tradeoff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barneyb Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I think the eyebox is way too critical, at least for me. I will be returning mine under their warranty program. I wish there was someway to quantify "eyebox". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9X23Guy Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Everything is a trade off, if you want a 6x scope learn proper head placement. Consistency is the key to accuracy and this is no different. I run a Swaro, one of the highest price scopes out there for our game. If I don't put my head in the right place I get what I get. I wouldn't give up on it just yet. I would practice, even dry fire practice, improvised shooting positions for awhile and then make your decision. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 I really like mine! I have a second focal plain BRT-2. I find it much more forgiving of head placement than the first focal plain BTR-1 I had. I think for the dinero it is darn hard to beat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rynnäkökivääri 62 Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 I have that same model. Anyone have experience with say the VX6 from leupold, or other 1-6x scopes, how are they on this front? I've also been offered a TA11 with donut reticle (tritium is said to be nearly expired) for 650 euros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rynnäkökivääri 62 Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) Well I bought that TA11 I mentioned, so now I get to compare and contrast the two. Edited January 4, 2013 by Rynnäkökivääri 62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan 45 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 I've been using a BTR2 SFP since about June of last year. I love it. Coming from shooting irons, I'm not willing to accept a sloppy cheek weld, so the reduced size "eyebox" isn't an issue for me. I really wish someone would come up w/ a more technical term than "eyebox." It just doesn't sound right to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rynnäkökivääri 62 Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 Ocular placement sensitivity factor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete68 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 I have an Trijicon ACOG TA01 4x32 with a picatinny rail mount & scope cover for sale. $800 It's great for fast target acquistions. PM me if interested. Thanks, RePete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) I really like mine! The term you are looking for Bryan is "exit pupil diameter".. I think that for the money it is one of the best built optics out there. I really like the BTR-1 retical and have found it to be well regulated for most 223 loads out to 600 or so. Edited January 5, 2013 by kurtm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan 45 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Thank You Kurt! Everytime I hear "eyebox" I can't help but start singing some old The Who. Mama's got a squeeze box she wears on her chest, and when daddy comes home he never gets no rest...Cause she's playing all night.....And the musics alright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseyglock Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 I love my BTR-1. I can reach out and touch something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45shooter Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I like mine as well. It is all about head placement/cheekweld. If you go to a higher power scope this is always an issue compared to a dot. I have flown to numerous matches in the last year and the scope has never needed to be rezeroed. Much more important to me than making sure I have a good cheekweld. I had a swaro and don't feel it was any better on six power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RippSpeed Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Eye Box was an issue for me; maybe because I use prescription glasses ... But I returned it to Bushnell for their 100% Money back guarantee ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaster Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 The red dot turns into a light brown color in bright sunlight, about the same color as a IPSC target. Every scope company should have guarentee like Bushnells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spd522 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I have the BRT-2 SFP model and really like it. I agree there could a bit more forgiveness in eye relief but the clarity and reticle make it worth it. I will probably get a 2nd one so I will have one on both my TO and HTO rifles. I used it on my HTO this past fall to take two does at 210 and 219 yds in the dwindling light of sunset. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prreed10 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Used it for 3 big matches last year. Loved it for the long range stages, but had trouble with 50 yards & in, especially when no- shoots are involved. I hit 6 at FB3G. Over the last few months, I've put it on my .22 and gone through a couple thousand rounds on plate racks, paper target transitions and half covered head shots. I'm getting a bit more comfortable with the reticle for close up targets now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseyglock Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Used it for 3 big matches last year. Loved it for the long range stages, but had trouble with 50 yards & in, especially when no- shoots are involved. I hit 6 at FB3G. Over the last few months, I've put it on my .22 and gone through a couple thousand rounds on plate racks, paper target transitions and half covered head shots. I'm getting a bit more comfortable with the reticle for close up targets now. You zero in the scope at which distance and scope mount height? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prreed10 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 LaRue SPR-E and 100yd zero. The 300yd zero lines up now at about 7 yds to 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I wouldn't try to use the reticle for close up stuff, just learn to aim high using the dot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodownzero Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 (edited) The term you guys are looking for is called exit pupil. And there is a math problem that can calculate it in MM. I believe it's objective size / power. And as power goes up, the exit pupil is going to get smaller. The options are increasing the size of the objective lens or reducing power. In this case, 24/6.5=3.69. Ideally, for the brightest view, it would be quite a bit more than that, perhaps 2x that. Unfortunately, the hole in your eye that gathers light can only be so big. More info here: http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Exit_pupil Edited February 14, 2013 by twodownzero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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