teros135 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) It would still be dominated by 2011s and CZ clones. It seems that the PO People still want a special division that they can "win" in? Realistically, what would that be? Edited January 29, 2015 by teros135 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Yeah, great idea to contact your AD .... I don't think waiting for folks to show up with 9mm minor open guns and shoot them in open would work. You can be competitive without being viable to win your division at a match. Why go shoot a division where you know before you pull the trigger for the first time you are at a disadvantage? I also don't buy the whole " I'm just here for fun" argument either .... This is a competition and to some degree everyone is competitive. Show me someone who has never looked at their score after a match and then I'll believe it. "You can be competitive without being viable to win your division at a match." This makes no sense to me. Maybe it's just my perspective. But, if I am not viable threat to win, then I don't believe I am competitive. But unless you're one of 10-15 (at most) top guys in the world, you're only a viable threat to win if no one good shows up. I'm competitive in the sense that I can get better than I was last week, and better than I am today. If I keep that up, I'll be a viable threat to win, if enough good people don't show up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny10 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Motosapiens... Okay. Now I understand your point. I thought you were commenting more about the local guy at his local match. The guy whose number 1 goal is to get better but once a month the primary goal is to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) Looks like Production Optics has a chance in IPSC http://ipsc.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=18632&page=2 I'm not a member of that forum so can't see it, what does it say? Eric With IPSC changes to divisions can only be voted on at a General Assembly, held in conjunction with a World Shoot. So the earliest that this could be bought up for vote is at the 2017 WS and if approved it would take effect January 1st, 2018. There seems to be a positive view of the proposal from those that have posted to that thread. Edited January 29, 2015 by BritinUSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Motosapiens... Okay. Now I understand your point. I thought you were commenting more about the local guy at his local match. The guy whose number 1 goal is to get better but once a month the primary goal is to win. That too. I'm competitive to win my local match, but realistically only if the 2 guys that are much better than the rest of us don't show up, or have a bad day. Frankly, winning because someone else didn't show, or had gun/brain malfunctions is not as rewarding to me as shooting really well (evidenced by a higher percentage of the winner, beating guys I didn't use to beat, good classifier percentages, etc....). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 From the USPSA March BOD Agenda: AGENDA USPSA BOD PHONE MEETING MARCH 10, 2015 - Discussion of proposed Optic Division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwinG Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) I just want to shoot a gun with a RDS that doesn't cost an arm and a leg like an open gun and shoot in a div with people of similar setups. That's not much to ask for. Like, taking what I currently shoot and put a RDS on it. Edited February 11, 2015 by EdwinG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onepocket Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 They already have an optics minor class. Get your guns, what are you waiting on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I just want to shoot a gun with a RDS that doesn't cost an arm and a leg like an open gun and shoot in a div with people of similar setups. That's not much to ask for. Like, taking what I currently shoot and put a RDS on it. I think that's reasonable. All you have to do is prove there's a market by getting 10 other people to start showing up regularly to matches with such setups. I personally don't believe that is possible because I think only a tiny handful of people care about such a division, but I'm happy to be proven wrong. (note: constantly complaining on the internet is not proving someone wrong). I want to shoot in one low-cap division with production, ss (minor and major) and L10. So you know what I do? I shoot the division I shoot, then look at the overall results and mentally cross out the open and limited shooters. I get to shoot what I want and compete against the people I want. Of course if all I cared about was watering down the division so I could 'win', my solution might not work. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 <p> From the USPSA March BOD Agenda: AGENDA USPSA BOD PHONE MEETING MARCH 10, 2015 - Discussion of proposed Optic Division Thanks for posting this! Now I can make sure my AD knows I for one, am against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hvsmith Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I've beat you to it Sarge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 It will happen, just a matter of when. I'm shooting my PO gun in my local matches. We just got affiliated, so I can't have my wildcat Production Optics division,mso I'll just shoot Open minor with 10 rounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I'll just shoot Open minor with 10 rounds Sounds like a perfect fit! Happy shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 It will happen, just a matter of when. I'm shooting my PO gun in my local matches. We just got affiliated, so I can't have my wildcat Production Optics division,mso I'll just shoot Open minor with 10 rounds I sincerely hope you encourage enough others to join you to actually make this idea worth talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Wonder why they are talking about it again? Glad to see it on the agenda though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 There's no way to know from the agenda whether they are discussing the same thing that we are talking about here. I find it interesting that it has come up again so soon after the unanimous rejection of just a few months ago. This may be related to the introduction of the Glock MOS or the indication from IPSC that this division could be introduced at the next General Assembly (in 2017). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 It will happen, just a matter of when. I'm shooting my PO gun in my local matches. We just got affiliated, so I can't have my wildcat Production Optics division,mso I'll just shoot Open minor with 10 rounds 23 matches with mine so far. The DeltaPoint seems to be holding up just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 It will happen, just a matter of when. I'm shooting my PO gun in my local matches. We just got affiliated, so I can't have my wildcat Production Optics division,mso I'll just shoot Open minor with 10 rounds 23 matches with mine so far. The DeltaPoint seems to be holding up just fine. Are you the only one in your area, or have you gotten some other folks motivated to come duke it out with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 There was another one at an indoor match last month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrydoc Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) There's no way to know from the agenda whether they are discussing the same thing that we are talking about here. I find it interesting that it has come up again so soon after the unanimous rejection of just a few months ago. This may be related to the introduction of the Glock MOS or the indication from IPSC that this division could be introduced at the next General Assembly (in 2017). Not quite what was talked about on the GV the comment made was "the earliest it could happen was the next GA" And as VP stated on the Aus forum it had been pushed up the ladder but didn't receive a good response Q. Ok, this has been bantered about for a few pages, when might this become a reality? Response.- The earliest possibility would be 1, Jan 2018 (after successful ratification by the 2017 IPSC Assembly in France) Edited February 12, 2015 by terrydoc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 It will happen, just a matter of when. I'm shooting my PO gun in my local matches. We just got affiliated, so I can't have my wildcat Production Optics division,mso I'll just shoot Open minor with 10 rounds 23 matches with mine so far. The DeltaPoint seems to be holding up just fine. Are you the only one in your area, or have you gotten some other folks motivated to come duke it out with you? Yes, I have had others at our match Shot woth a guy last week at a classifier match who was shooting a C.O.R.E. with a red dot. Young (mid 20's) guy that only wants to shoot a dot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 It does seem as if IPSC might do it, I'm sure it would be 15 rounds tho as that's how they shoot Production Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWLAZS Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I think its a great idea. I don't understand why people are so against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atbarr Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 CHANGE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I think its a great idea. I don't understand why people are so against it. because no one has shown that more than a dozen or so people nationwide would participate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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