Why don't morematches allow buckshot?

[DyNo!]

until you put a no shoot next to it, try it that way some time!!!!!!

Trapr

No problem, then it becomes a double for me!

Edited October 31, 2012 by DyNo!

[EkuJustice]

On a very tight shot I would take buck shot every time as I know how to shoot the shotgun and know where it patterns and the buckshot patterns TIGHT

[bigbrowndog]

I forgot to mention some matches DO NOT allow flitecontrol,....... but then everyone should know the rules of the match they attend!!

Trapr

[EkuJustice]

wonder their logic on the no flight control

[kurtm]

It is considered a "lumpy slug" and a danger if shot too close on steel.

[Jesse Tischauser]

I love all buckshot Paper stages until its time to tape targets.

Wouldn't buckshot wear out steal faster than pistons being as there are 8-9 more projectiles hitting it every shot?

I think some matches disallow it because if an AD occurs up in the air the buck has more danger potential the buck. I also believe some MD's don't want to have to design a stage around bird and buck. You can knock down targets from quite far with some flight control buck.

[StealthyBlagga]

The main reason I don't design buckshot stages too often is the cost to the shooters - buckshot is spendy compared with birdshot. I sprinkle buckshot stages into my matches, but sparingly.

[StealthyBlagga]

It is considered a "lumpy slug" and a danger if shot too close on steel.

Kurt - Have you done any testing of Flite Control ammo on steel that might support this position? We currently don't prohibit it at Rio Salado, but if there is a consensus that it does present a special hazard, we may have to do our own testing or design stages with targets further out.

[fritzthemoose]

Doesn't seem to make sense. Hitting a steel plate at 7 yds with buckshot wouldn't seem any different than hitting it with a .40 or .45. Why don't more MD's allow the use of buckshot? I think it would add a new dynamic to selecting ammo for the stage, throughout the stage, etc...

Any safety concerns or other issues I'm missing?

i personally dont like buckshots as there is a too high luck factor involved. U just dont know where they end up.

[ClutchUSMC]

It is considered a "lumpy slug" and a danger if shot too close on steel.

Kurt - Have you done any testing of Flite Control ammo on steel that might support this position? We currently don't prohibit it at Rio Salado, but if there is a consensus that it does present a special hazard, we may have to do our own testing or design stages with targets further out.

I'm not a physicist but I would think that the FliteControl wad with 8 pellets would be a less efficient version of this:

I would like to hear some opinions from the more seasoned MDs/Shooters on this as I have no real data as it pertains to FC Buckshot other than my own shooting and that has been limited to 200ish rounds, with a much lower number of them at steel targets.

Back to the original topic, I did put some buckshot in the stages for next months club match, 2 rounds required. It's not something do often maybe 4-6 times a year for buck and 6-8 for slugs. I find its a good balance for a club match, work the slugs in buck in but only sparingly.

Edited January 6, 2013 by ClutchUSMC

[Jesse Tischauser]

I need some of those in 7 1/2

[sierra77mk]

It is considered a "lumpy slug" and a danger if shot too close on steel.

Lumpy Slug; Wasn't he a bounty hunter in Star Wars?

[EkuJustice]

There is no luck in it if you know how your gun patterns. Thats why I use the flight control on all the paper targets is I KNOW its hitting how I want it to

[kurtm]

Guys I was answering the question of "what is THIER thinking behind It" not how I felt about it.

[kurtm]

Stealthy ask your buddy Neil Beverly why. He was the one that banned flight control from IPSC matches.

[Jesse Tischauser]

IPSC banned flight control? They don't shoot the stuff at anything other than paper. That organization is jacked!

[kurtm]

Well, as a matter of fact they do shoot buckshot at steel Jesse. Not have I not only seen it, I have shot at it in quite a few IPSC shotgun Matches over seas.

[bigbrowndog]

Now Now Kurt lets not cloud the discussion with facts!!!!

trapr

[Stlhead]

If the home electronics of the world ever get together and form Skynet those wax slugs will sure come in handy. It looks like they are only effective against surplus electronics.

[ClutchUSMC]

IDK if that hard drive was your A zone I think it would be pretty effective. I don't think I'd try it until I was in some mad max scenario though. I just can't think of any other reason I'd use a wax slug vs a lead one.

[Lead-Head]

3matches I shot last year required some buckshot. None or them were tests of shooting, but more for cool factor, and knowing how your gun patterned with your load. The distances were pretty close, and ther were zero no shoots, so if you had flight control, knowing your pattern was not much of an issue.

I like shooting buck, and that FCStuff is awesome, but once the cool factor wears off, it seems to me the same shooting skill could be determined with birdshot. At least in the matches I shot last year, I know stage design and target presentation could change this.

[MarkCO]

If you shot the Noveske match last year, birdshot would not take down the buckshot targets, they won't this year either. There was a test of shooting skill too.

[Boxer1]

Too much buck can get expensive quick. Also buck has to be more prone to bouncing especally over some lower berms if the ground is hard.

[rundownfid]

I see that this topic is just over a yer old, but it might be useful to readers to have the context, so I'll ask this question here. Any ideas for good buckshot targets, and stages? Goals for the stage would be, most importantly use buckshot, many have it in their home defense shotgun but I personally have never had to use it in a match? Second, while I would like a stage where it can be used and even an advantage I would also not like forcing shooters who don't use it to totally fail, so an option to use bird or slugs would be ideal. I know it can get really expensive, not only for the buckshot but for the targets as well, so some targets-scenarios that aren't too exceptionally expensive as well would be great.

So here is your chance to design a stage or two where buckshot is an advantage. This would probably be used as part of a long stage with a number of strings of fire, so a single (or two) string with buckshot on a 5-10 shot string would be fine, rather than a whole long stage with 15 plus rounds would be great. This is for the Miffliln Co 3-gun match Mar 29th, so if your stage(s) is selected you will get a free entry!

[Alaskapopo]

I think it should be allowed and used at the competitors discretion. It does not hurt the steel any more than handgun rounds from what I have seen on my own steel. This would allow new shooters without choke tubes to use 00 buck on targets like the spinner. I think this rule is grounded in fear vs fact. Just my opinion.
Pat