BradGannaway Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Phil, I meant to catch you at Double Tap, but by the time I saw you, you were bagging up your gun and hobbling towards your car. I was covered up with customers and couldn't get free. Anyway, who do I contact to find out about HEAR-PRO sponsoring the Pro-Am? Shoot me an email or use my contact page on the website at www.hear-pro.com. BSG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetback Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 How many ROUNDS should i bring for OPEN and LIMITED? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskinsler83 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Good question I was bout to Ask the same lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsmw5142 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 If you look at last years scores you can add up the total plates knocked down by the winner in each division. I would say that's a good start. Than maybe up that by 25-30% at least to account for misses and in case you have a re-shoot for some reason. That's how I figured it last year anyway (but I doubled it and had more than enough... LOL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinblasteroh Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Any word on what the stages look like? I did see them posted on either website. Just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmshtr Posted June 23, 2012 Author Share Posted June 23, 2012 (edited) Hello everyone, The match will have 292 targets...4 of them being bonus targets and 18 targets on the tie breaker stage for a possible score of 282. Although no one will hit all of the targets, it's still a good idea to bring plenty of ammo. You should only need a MAX of 350 rounds per match. The stages are finished, and I've submitted them to my webmaster. She should be updating the site first thing next week. I'll post here when that happens. On another note, Sunday AM is full with 8 people on the wait list. The Open match on Sunday PM only has 7 spots left. SatAM/PM still has plenty of space. Really sorry for the delays this year. I'm getting pulled in SO many different directions for the last month or so, I'm lucky I haven't had a heart attack. Looks like I picked a hell of a week to quit drinkin! Hope to see you there! Edited June 23, 2012 by gmshtr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhop Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 stages are up, when will squad list be updated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmshtr Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 Thanks Matt...and sorry for not being more prompt. I've just got too many irons in the fire! For some reason my website isn't updating properly, so I'm posting the latest squad lists here. Hopefully the website will straighten itself out by tomorrow. See you all there, Phil 2012 Squad List FRI AM.pdf 2012 Squad List FRI PM.pdf 2012 Squad List SAT AM.pdf 2012 Squad List SAT PM.pdf 2012 Squad List SUN AM.pdf 2012 Squad List SUN PM.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Why are you running a non USPSA affiliated match? Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Harrington Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 It's almost time to shoot some steel!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynes_world_45 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I sent in a Registration a couple of days ago for Friday AM...please put me on Squad F1 Thanks, Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeMartens Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Why are you running a non USPSA affiliated match? Just curious. Phil brought this match back in 2008 and has been running it since then, match announcements were made before he took ove as uspsa president Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskinsler83 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 anyone shooting a SS w/ 9rd mags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 anyone shooting a SS w/ 9rd mags Sam and I will be shooting SSs with 10 round mags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskinsler83 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 I mentioned your question to Phil. He's busy running a USPSA BOD meeting right now but I'm sure he can answer if he gets a chance. BTW, speaking as another member of the USPSA BOD who shoots IMGA, NRA AP, GSSF, in addition to being the MD for our local NRA AP, GSSF and a rather large three gun match in a couple weeks. I think there are a lot of things to learn from other sports. I see value in running matches in other disciplines. There are things USPSA can improve on and we can learn from other shooting sports. A lot of times it's easier to try out new ways of doing things in Non-USPSA matches as well. As an example I'm running a three gun match in July. A lot of the rules I'm using could not be used in a USPSA match. Some are being tried out for possible inclusion in future USPSA rule books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 I cleaned this thread up a bit. Removed some back and forth sniping...and associated posts. Play nice. - Admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynes_world_45 Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 One of my favorite matches is Shannon Smith's Monster Match...def not a USPSA approved match when I have to wear 8 magazines in Production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 I mentioned your question to Phil. He's busy running a USPSA BOD meeting right now but I'm sure he can answer if he gets a chance. BTW, speaking as another member of the USPSA BOD who shoots IMGA, NRA AP, GSSF, in addition to being the MD for our local NRA AP, GSSF and a rather large three gun match in a couple weeks. I think there are a lot of things to learn from other sports. I see value in running matches in other disciplines. There are things USPSA can improve on and we can learn from other shooting sports. A lot of times it's easier to try out new ways of doing things in Non-USPSA matches as well. As an example I'm running a three gun match in July. A lot of the rules I'm using could not be used in a USPSA match. Some are being tried out for possible inclusion in future USPSA rule books. You are such a diplomatic guy. I get the different disciplines. I shoot a lot of "IMGA", I actually shoot silhouette once in a while. 3 Gun Nation is not USPSA affiliated. I used to shoot GSSF, but somehow they never came through with my last voucher, so I stopped. Paperwork always seems to be the bottleneck in everything. The ATF is the champion of paperwork bottleneck. I digress. However, my question does not relate to freedom of speech and the general freedoms we have in the US about shooting. When you assume the mantle of USPSA President, you can be assured your actions are going to be looked at more closely. Comes with the territory. There are many really good private ranges that want no affiliation with USPSA and I hope we can change that in the future. I should be happy that Steel Challenge, the US IPSC shoot, and the World Shoot are now within 4 hours of my home. Those are all USPSA affiliated ventures and I want them all to be successful. That said, my question is why our President still running a non-USPSA affiliated match? Just seems unseemly, you know. Can't it be brought under the USPSA umbrella? It seems at cross purposes with the stated goals of USPSA. At some point an answer will come, I'm not in a hurry. Why does everyone seem to think they need to answer for Phil? DVC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 I mentioned your question to Phil. He's busy running a USPSA BOD meeting right now but I'm sure he can answer if he gets a chance. BTW, speaking as another member of the USPSA BOD who shoots IMGA, NRA AP, GSSF, in addition to being the MD for our local NRA AP, GSSF and a rather large three gun match in a couple weeks. I think there are a lot of things to learn from other sports. I see value in running matches in other disciplines. There are things USPSA can improve on and we can learn from other shooting sports. A lot of times it's easier to try out new ways of doing things in Non-USPSA matches as well. As an example I'm running a three gun match in July. A lot of the rules I'm using could not be used in a USPSA match. Some are being tried out for possible inclusion in future USPSA rule books. You are such a diplomatic guy. I get the different disciplines. I shoot a lot of "IMGA", I actually shoot silhouette once in a while. 3 Gun Nation is not USPSA affiliated. I used to shoot GSSF, but somehow they never came through with my last voucher, so I stopped. Paperwork always seems to be the bottleneck in everything. The ATF is the champion of paperwork bottleneck. I digress. However, my question does not relate to freedom of speech and the general freedoms we have in the US about shooting. When you assume the mantle of USPSA President, you can be assured your actions are going to be looked at more closely. Comes with the territory. There are many really good private ranges that want no affiliation with USPSA and I hope we can change that in the future. I should be happy that Steel Challenge, the US IPSC shoot, and the World Shoot are now within 4 hours of my home. Those are all USPSA affiliated ventures and I want them all to be successful. That said, my question is why our President still running a non-USPSA affiliated match? Just seems unseemly, you know. Can't it be brought under the USPSA umbrella? It seems at cross purposes with the stated goals of USPSA. At some point an answer will come, I'm not in a hurry. Why does everyone seem to think they need to answer for Phil? DVC Have you shot the Pro-Am, or seen video on it? How would a par time match, shot on various non standard steel targets, and all the other various rules of the Pro-Am work under USPSA rules? Should the Pro-Am change to conform with USPSA rules or should USPSA rules change to conform with USPSA? I'm fairly certain neither solution would be a good idea. As far as the President or any representative of USPSA running non-USPSA that's their call. We don't pay the President a full time wage and none of the BOD members receives any salary at all. I certainly don't expect Phil or anyone else to slave themselves entirely to USPSA. The past president certainly didn't. You say it falls at cross purpose for the stated goals of USPSA. How? If Phil wants to build up another successful discipline that USPSA may or may not absorb in the future seems like a decent idea to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Antichrome Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 ...my question is why our President still running a non-USPSA affiliated match? Because he re-invented this format into one of the best matches ever. He did this long before he was the President, and there is no reason to abandon the match now. In years past, the Pro-Am was listed as being "recognized" by the USPSA. It was listed as such on the USPSA website. Now, since the USPSA President runs the match, I would say it is still "recognized" This is a case where the USPSA President is promoting competitive shooting as a whole...not limited to just a slice of USPSA. It's good for shooting, and good for the USPSA. Its above and beyond the office he holds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 I pulled a couple more posts. Keep the discussion non personal. Admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmshtr Posted July 1, 2012 Author Share Posted July 1, 2012 Thanks for the question. Sorry I didn't respond as quickly as everyone else. I've been pretty tied up with the BOD meeting here in MSP. As others have mentioned, I revised this event in 2008. Over the years, I've made some changes, improved a few things, and obtained a US Trademark for "Pro-Am Shooitng®" to protect it. It has arguably become one of the more popular events in the country. Because of this success, the Pro-Am has become an anticipated event that many shooters expect to see on a yearly basis. As I am the official owner of "Pro-Am Shooting", I continued to run the match. Arrangements had been made to hold the 2012 event well before I was elected President. The arguement could be made as to why the Area 4 director (me) ran a Pro-Am Shooting® Championship in 2011. I have publicaly stated (as I am now) that if I feel that the match is negatively affecting my performance as USPSA President, I would sell it and let someone else take over the event. I've discussed the possibility of affiliating the match with USPSA, but there are several roadblocks that stand in the way (experimental targets, round counts, RO procedures, etc). The last thing I wanted to do was make significant changes to a match that has enjoyed extreme success using the current format. PLUS it is a way to expose shooters who would otherwise not shoot a USPSA event. Although most of the Pro-Am attendees are USPSA shooters, there are a surprising number of exclusive IDPA shooters, and new competitors who just wanted to shoot what they had seen on TV. I actively promote USPSA competition to our less experienced Pro-Am competitors as a way to improve. Additionally, since my prize table is heavily based on classifications rather than overall finish, there is a VERY real motivation to join USPSA and get classified before the match. I can only promise that I will do my best to serve the membership as USPSA President. If I ever feel that another activity is limiting that ability, I will make whatever changes I need to better perform my elected duties. Take care, Phil Strader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskinsler83 Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Well said Phil!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjb45 Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 First off, the unseemly comment is way out of line. There is nothing unseemly about the President running the Pro-Am. Everything was known about his relationship to the match prior to his becoming an Area Director or President. Second, We do pay the President a full-time salary. Post his salary if you believe otherwise. His ability to earn income outside his USPSA Salary as long as it does not violate USPSA regulations or US regulations is to be applauded. Phil is very open about his activities and promotes that philosophy with USPSA management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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