a matt Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Looking for thoughts on the safest powder. I know powder is as safe as I want it to be, but i dont want to end up with alot of 1lb.bottles with that shipping charge.looking for major power with MG 180 CMJ. Any suggestion will help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 WSF (Winchester Super Field) may not be the lowest recoil for a given PF, but it does give some of the lowest pressures and works in most calibers from 9mm to .45. It meters well in progressives and has a decent volume to charge weight. If you only want one powder, one of the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalaur Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 WST, WSF, 231, VV 330/340/350. All great powders, fairly slow burn rates, should be fairly clean and readily available. What kind of gun? Will you be able to load 'long' lengths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaster113 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 N320 is the absolute shiz for .40, but expensive. My vote goes for N320 then Solo 1000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieF Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 (edited) Agreed with the WSF. It is reverse temp sensitive though. At 50deg I was averaging 960fps and at 90deg I was at 915 with the same load. WSF (Winchester Super Field) may not be the lowest recoil for a given PF, but it does give some of the lowest pressures and works in most calibers from 9mm to .45. It meters well in progressives and has a decent volume to charge weight. If you only want one powder, one of the best. Edited December 1, 2011 by OzzieF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoBolo Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 For the MTG 180 in a 5" gun for USPSA Major I recommend N320. Get some WST for the times when you can't find N320. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cop206 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 N320 gets my vote! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishpinoy27 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 N320 ...back it up with Titegroup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 N320 is a very good powder for long loaded .40 S&W major. Less so for factory lentgh major. However, the OP asked for the "safest" which N320 would NOT be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casman Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 (edited) N320 is a very good powder for long loaded .40 S&W major. Less so for factory lentgh major. However, the OP asked for the "safest" which N320 would NOT be. Sorry not meant as a quote reply. Edited December 1, 2011 by Casman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casman Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 If you’re not married to the 180s you can make a very nice (and sub-max) Major load with N320 and 165s at factory length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Alliant Power Pistol is very safe and temp stable, and great for 40, but there are softer shooting powders out there. It is cheap though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted December 1, 2011 Author Share Posted December 1, 2011 Gun is a 2011 5" oal 1.180. The $ doesn't bother me as long as it is the safest for major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 N320. If not that, Titegroup. I've not tried S1000, WSF, or PP. After seeing a few blown cases in the summer time around here (and after seeing my gun get filled up with unburned powder), I stay away from WST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) Gun is a 2011 5" oal 1.180. The $ doesn't bother me as long as it is the safest for major. I'm not sure what you mean by 'safest'. *Any* powder will be extremely dangerous if it goes off when the gun is pointed at your crotch, head or wife. If you mean you are planning to accidentally overcharge cases , then any fairly voluminous powder should make it pretty obvious. n320, power pistol, and i'm pretty sure wst and wsf will all overflow from a .40 case with a double charge. If you are planning to accientally seat the bullets too short or have some kind of setback problem, then I'm not sure which would be best. I have read about pressure spikes with clays with too short an OAL, but not with these other powders. Obviously, you're not 'planning' to do any of those things, but if you give an idea about what safety issues you're worried about, experienced folks can offer better opinions. When I started reloading, I wanted to use a powder that would burn clean, recoil soft, overflow the case if double-charged, and not blow up my gun if the bullet was seated .05 too short. I started with power pistol, and very quickly switched to n320, but I'm shooting minor. Based on my experience with n320, my first look would be at n330 or n340 for bullets heavier than 165 grain, at least until i'm confident to get off the reservation and work up my own n320 load. I think most anything you can find in a reputable reloading manual would be as safe as anything else. With that in mind, n330 and n340 are both recommended for use with 180g bullets if you like VV powders. I don't know if they burn as clean or shoot as soft as N320 does for me. Edited December 2, 2011 by motosapiens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Miles Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 N320 is a very good powder for long loaded .40 S&W major. Less so for factory lentgh major. However, the OP asked for the "safest" which N320 would NOT be. Why would that be? Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 N320 is a very good powder for long loaded .40 S&W major. Less so for factory lentgh major. However, the OP asked for the "safest" which N320 would NOT be. Why would that be? Pat for starters, last I checked VV does not recommend it for 180g .40 bullets, which I think means VV enginners believe it burns too fast to have sufficient margin for error with that bullet. Now, loaded long, in a burly STI gun, it might be perfectly safe...., but mfrs seem to typically give load data that will work at saami-length cartridges or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Thanks moto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerassassin22 Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 I load MG 180's for my .40 and I use 4.7gr of titgroup you can get 8Lb Kegs for 130.00. I use all TG for my 9mm, 40 and 45 works great and easy to tell if you ever double charge burns cleans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted December 3, 2011 Author Share Posted December 3, 2011 What gun and oal are you using TG with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow patrol Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Been using VV N320 for a while now with 180 plated bullets loaded to 1.160 with no ill effects. Just shot some rounds loaded with Solo 1000 this weekend. Nice and soft shooting, just a little smokey and a tad dirtier than the N320. Plus it's about half the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 I'm trying Ramshot True Blue because it is headquartered in Montana and it looks finer than table salt. Also using a 165gr plated HSM (Hunting Shack) headquartered in Montana. 7.3 @ 1.120 practice load for this winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted December 4, 2011 Author Share Posted December 4, 2011 Thanks for all the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted December 4, 2011 Author Share Posted December 4, 2011 Thanks for all the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerassassin22 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 What gun and oal are you using TG with? I was shooting a Glock 22 and current my new toy STI Eagle 40 5.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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