Baileyj925 Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 (edited) I was thinking about throwing a recoil buffer into my SS gun to help with recoil and the wear on my aluminum frame. Does anyone else use these? Should I just increase my spring? Your thoughts. Edited September 18, 2011 by Baileyj925 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 In my experience the rubber buffers actually give you more recoil, not less. This makes sense if you think about it. By taking up space inside the recoil spring tunnel, the rubber buffer doesn't allow the slide to come as far to the rear when cycling - you have in effect shortened the slide stroke. Therefore when the slide comes fully to the rear during cycling the back of the dust cover slams into the buffer really hard. Also, shortening the slide stroke can - and frequently does - cause other problems such as failures to feed and failures of the action to lock open when empty. Don't increase your recoil spring weight either. Not will only will this give you more felt recoil and muzzle flip as the slide is coming to the rear, it will also make your slide slam forward harder during cycling, which can lead to serious muzzle dip, also the gun pounds itself harder as it goes back into battery, leading to less durability, not more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hostetter Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 neither ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Search is your friend.... many threads on this here. JT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootluke62 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 I used Wilson shok buffs for years on my Colt Commander, no problems, no FTF's FTE etc. I beleive it is good as far as not beating the crap out of my $1200 pistola, muzzle flip was not changed in my opinion. No more Commander, my officers RIA cannot accept a shok buff or I would be using them still. Try them, it's $6.95, you like it...great, you hate it...so what? it's the price of a hero sandwhich- you be the judge.good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueOvalBruin Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 No more shock buff for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob DuBois Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Think your better off spending the money on a Hero Sandwich, you'll get more for the money. Heavier spring will probably cause more problems than fix. I would run a 16lb or 18lb depending on the load your shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 I use Dawsons Auma Buffs. Not sure if they really do anything or not but it feels like I have less felt recoil but it could all be in my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 A good gyro is a thing of wonder. Very enjoyable. And it won't make your gun start acting up, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stidad Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 i also use the dawson aluminum buffer. never had a problem with it. i don't even notice any difference in recoil, with or without buffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 A good gyro is a thing of wonder. Very enjoyable. And it won't make your gun start acting up, either. Ah, Tzatziki, the Slide-Glide of sandwiches... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake32 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 i use buffers on my open gun and have never had a problem. the one in the gun has seen 3k rounds and not come apart yet with a 9 lb recoil spring. im pushing a 124gr bullet at 1440 fps with it. not saying it helps but it doesnt hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 (edited) Just had a buddy having an issue with his new Open running.... Went up on the spring and tossed the buff. Bingo, ran two mags where it wouldn't run four rounds. Isn't that right Brad? JT Edited September 21, 2011 by JThompson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Wells Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Shok-buffs are not for everybody and not all guns are machined with enough clearance to allow for the extra room necessary for a standard (.100-.105 thick) Shok-buff. I have 5 5" .45 autos that I use for indoor target use and all are equipped with Shok-buffs. Les Baer, at least older Premier II's generally will not accept a standard (.100-.105 thick) Shok-buff and have enough room to slingshot, something which I consider necessary for at least target guns. (May or may not hold slide back / open on last round fired). Ed Brown, at least the Executive Target models, do not have enough room to run a standard thick (.100-.105 thick) Shok-buff and have enough room to slingshot. (May or may not hold slide back / open on last round fired). Wilson Combat issues all of their 5", at least their .45 autos, with Shok-buffs. They do not believe in using Shok-buffs with less than a 5" gun. Shok-buffs can cause problems and are not for everybody. Shok-buffs, just like FLGR's, have lots of haters. I use FLGR's in all of my guns also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Try it and see, as far as the recoil spring goes - I'd go lighter, not heavier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob DuBois Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 I run Dawson Aluminum Shock Buffs in my open pistol also along with an angle change on the firing pin stop. But in a five inch SS/CDP 45acp found it's best to leave the rubber buffs out and do the tuning with spring weight. Everyone's grip and load vary so do the tuning on the clock to see which works best for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baileyj925 Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 Thanks for all of the feedback, its truely a learning experience....I have a Kimber 4" CDP(Allum Frame). I am just getting into this and I want to shoot SS but dont have the dough to drop on an expensive (match only) rig just yet.....I am trying to figure out some tricks to make this Kimber work and less of a beast (recoil) until I can get some more experience. It has about 1700 rounds through it and the frame is showing some good wear. Everything in it is stock Kimber including the 22lb Spring. If you had to shoot this what would you change, anything, or leave it alone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeMartens Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Think your better off spending the money on a Hero Sandwich, you'll get more for the money. Heavier spring will probably cause more problems than fix. I would run a 16lb or 18lb depending on the load your shooting. Penn Station sounds good right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 I"ve used them (two of them) in my 6" gun for over 7K rounds with no issues. I use an Aluma buff in front of a Wilson shock buff to extend the life of the Wilson. It works great. Shred told me about this combo!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 I'd still rather have the gyro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Try this: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=78078&hl=shock%20buffs&st=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 And here I thought that was going to be a link to a great gyro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baileyj925 Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 Try this: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=78078&hl=shock%20buffs&st=0 Almost 50/50. Thanks for the link. I ordered a DP Magwell and a set of these.....we'll see if they will run. Either way a +1 for experience, and next time I'll just order a sandwich. I am a bit skeptical because if I don't clean my Kimber every couple hundred rounds it runs like crap and adding something to the mix may upset it further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 If the buff will fit & not cause problems, it is not a bad idea. I think that an 11 or 12 pound spring & a load that is close to pf would be a good way to reduce recoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpeltier Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 My kimber did NOT like them. It was flawless without them. Always wondered why I tried them. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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