Jayson Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Looking for info on loads for 230gn lead round nose using tite group powder. looking for accuracy, minor and major. I would also like to know what OAL and what crimp you are using. The gun is a Kimber Eclipse custom II. Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan N Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Looking for info on loads for 230gn lead round nose using tite group powder. looking for accuracy, minor and major. I would also like to know what OAL and what crimp you are using. The gun is a Kimber Eclipse custom II. Thanks in advance Uncaoted lead with TG will likely smoke pretty bad. Can't help you with the load. I have only used 200gr with Clays and Solo 1K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anachronism Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 I suspect that Titegroup may work more efficiently with jacketed bullets, possibly because they offer more resistance going down the barrel. Like many others, I get a cloud of smoke, and a gun covered with grey soot when I use TG with cast bullets. It really doesn't seem to matter what the caliber is. I have noticed that jacketed loads are a lot cleaner. I haven't done any hard core load development to prove this theory, but it seems plausible. Perhaps, some day, when I have nothing to do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noylj Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Bullet Weight Powder Weight Velocity Start/Max PowerFactor COL L-RN"BlackBullet" 230 TiteGroup 3.6 IndoorIDPA 0 1.247 L-RN 230 TiteGroup 4.0 751 Start 173 1.200 swaged L-RN 230 TiteGroup 4.2 750 Start 173 L-RN 230 TiteGroup 4.3 796 Start 183 L-RN 230 TiteGroup 4.6 0 L-RN 230 TiteGroup 4.8 855 Max 197 1.200 L-RN 230 TiteGroup 4.8 870 Max 200 L-RN 230 TiteGroup 5.0 870 200 RCBS45-231-CMRNFP 230 TiteGroup 5.0 884 203 swaged L-RN 230 TiteGroup 5.3 900 Max 207 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted May 21, 2011 Author Share Posted May 21, 2011 I ran some through my chrono with an average of 809 fps with 4.6gn of TG. i am wondering how I can reduce the recoil and still keep the speed? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovbuild Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Tough to do with TG....You want a softer recoil I would go to a slower powder. TG is to smokey for me with lead and way to snappy. You could play around with springs but a slower powder would be better for the speeds and bullet weight you are using IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Diss Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Try 4.0 grains of Clays (not univ or international). Very popular for 230 grain loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 I ran some through my chrono with an average of 809 fps with 4.6gn of TG. i am wondering how I can reduce the recoil and still keep the speed? Thanks Those numbers are the same as mine (805.9pfs). I don't like TG with lead bullets, but have found that 4.4gr/Bullseye gave me 770.4fps and is a good shooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Simpson Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 4.0gr WST with 230gr LRN works great and not too smoky. Makes major in a 5" 1911. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contactcole Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I ran some through my chrono with an average of 809 fps with 4.6gn of TG. i am wondering how I can reduce the recoil and still keep the speed? Thanks I don't like TG with lead bullets, but have found that 4.4gr/Bullseye gave me 770.4fps and is a good shooter. Same here. I've run TG w/ 230gr, but run 3.9-4.2gr of BE now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted September 24, 2011 Author Share Posted September 24, 2011 (edited) I am using quick load program with 4 gr of clays and it says that it is an unsafe load. it exceeds maximum pressure by a large amount. does this look right to anybody? it is a 230 gr. lrn at a col of 1.245. It just does not jive with any load manuels. Thanks Edited September 24, 2011 by Jayson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowrider Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 I am using quick load program with 4 gr of clays and it says that it is an unsafe load. it exceeds maximum pressure by a large amount. does this look right to anybody? it is a 230 gr. lrn at a col of 1.245. It just does not jive with any load manuels. Thanks Hodgdon's online data says that 4.0 is max at 1.200 OAL which by all rights should be measurably higher pressure than 1.245 OAL, but it just depends on the specific bullet ogive. So I would say that no it doesn't look right initially, but that is also jacketed data you posted, so it may well be correct. This is why we work our loads up cautiously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted September 25, 2011 Author Share Posted September 25, 2011 The jacketed load is the factory starting point (no lead bullets in the program) but the numbers for a lead load were inserted. IE changed the starting pressure and bullet diameter and overal length. If i start with 3.5 grains it is still over the max pressure. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowrider Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Oh wow. I didn't notice that, I just saw the Sierra bullet listing and part number for you bullet selection. That's pretty cool that you can change the values. But if you do, does the program lose it's ability to calculate the pressure curve accurately? If you changed the starting pressure how did you come up with the value? I ask because I've been thinking about buying that software for some time and seeing your posted screenshot makes me even more interested. Looks like a lot of fun to play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougCarden Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 I don't know anything about the computer program, but I do know that 4.0gr CLAYS and 230 bullets, jacketed or LRN, has been a staple load for most everyone I know shooting .45 for the past 18 years + and NO ONE has ever shown pressure signs or had any problems with that load as long as there is no bullet set back..... DougC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
open17 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 4.2 Solo 1000 230 gr Bear Creek moly WLP primer Mixed cases 1.240 OAL 172 PF out of a 5" Springfield. 14 lb recoil spring, no buffer. VERY close in all respects to a Clays load, but just a little bit softer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted September 25, 2011 Author Share Posted September 25, 2011 Shadowrider, in the initial start pressure box there is a drop down menu, I just picked the lead start load pressure. Every other bullet i have made using this program comes up almost dead on when shooting through a chrono. I know lots of people have shot this load I am just mind boggled at the screen shot. I am wondering if there is a problem with this particular load make up in the software. If anybody knows please let me know. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhettoSmack Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Why do all the .45 230 RN loads I see show an OAL of < 1.245"?? 1.200" ... what shape bullet is THAT?? All the 230 RN bullets I have used (Montana Gold, Rainier, Berry's, Bullet Works) can't load to 1.200 without a gap at the mouth. What happened to loading to 1.260" OAL? Anyone have a good Major Power Factor load for 1.260"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Why do all the .45 230 RN loads I see show an OAL of < 1.245"?? 1.200" ... what shape bullet is THAT?? All the 230 RN bullets I have used (Montana Gold, Rainier, Berry's, Bullet Works) can't load to 1.200 without a gap at the mouth. What happened to loading to 1.260" OAL? Anyone have a good Major Power Factor load for 1.260"? I load all of my 45ACP to 1.250" 230gr Bayou Bullet 4.4gr/TiteGroup PF = 180 230gr CMJ 4.6gr/TiteGroup PF = 166 230gr LRN 4.6gr/TiteGroup PF = 185 230gr LRN 4.8gr/Bullseye PF = 194 230gr LRN 4.4gr/Bullseye PF = 177 The last 3 loads, with the LRN, are very smokey. You don't want to use these in a night match with flashlights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tul9033 Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Using a Bear Creek 200gr SWC MOLY w/ 4.9gr Titegroup @ 1.25 OAL is good shooter and smokes like a jacketed bullet. Titegroup and straight lead are just too smokey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Using a Bear Creek 200gr SWC MOLY w/ 4.9gr Titegroup @ 1.25 OAL is good shooter and smokes like a jacketed bullet. Titegroup and straight lead are just too smokey.[/b] As is Bullseye and 231. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsmw5142 Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 4.2 Solo 1000 230 gr Bear Creek moly WLP primer Mixed cases 1.240 OAL 172 PF out of a 5" Springfield. 14 lb recoil spring, no buffer. VERY close in all respects to a Clays load, but just a little bit softer. Agreed My load (with my old fast jug of Solo) was 4.3gr at 1.255 with a BBI 230gr moly. It's very soft, very little smoke and dead nuts accurate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmccrock Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 For me, the margin for 230gr LRN+Clays going from major to flattened primers was kindof small, a few tenths of powder. I could never get 800 fps with that combination. Major, yes, but not a ball equivalent load. Titegroup took a few more tenths to make major, and was a little more snappy, but was able to make ball loads, if I wanted. Its just that 230gr+Clays+barely major feels pretty soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam P. Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 I like 230gr RN Missouri Bullets, 4.3gr of Red Dot, WLP, 1.245 OAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 4.8 of TG with 200 gr lead shoots great but is smokey and dirty 5.6 of 231 shoots great easily cleaned and some smoke 4.6 WST is better but still has smoke Trying clays next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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