How much WST for 9mm 115gr

[beginner shooter]

So I loaded up a bunch of 9x19mm with WST. The closest info I could find on this on the web was saying to use 5.2-5.6gr of WST in which the poster claimed came out of the 4rth addition Hornady manual. Other than that I havent really been able to find any other info. Now what really concerns me is that with the lack of data that I'm seeing, is this going to be a load that will blow up my gun? If so I'm not above going out and buying a bullet puller and redoing all the rounds Ive loaded up with this charge. Any insight would be helpfull.

Equipment:

Bullets- 115gr Barry's plated

Powder- Winchester WST- 5.2gr

Brass- Winchester pre-primed brand new

-Mike

PS. the info I got was from post #2 in this link.

[Flexmoney]

Load specific info should go in the main reloading forum. I will move this thread from the beginner's area.

Also, try a search. Chances are you question has been talked about.

- Admin.

[DWFAN]

How many is a bunch ? You should always only load a few and test in your gun. I also wouldnt shoot anything that I didnt personally verify in a loading manual. Does Hodgdon online data show anything for WST and 115gr ?

This post shows someone using 5.0gr WST. doesnt say what bullet, so it doesnt mean a whole lot.

http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=100685&view=findpost&p=1148619

[beginner shooter]

How many is a bunch ? You should always only load a few and test in your gun. I also wouldnt shoot anything that I didnt personally verify in a loading manual. Does Hodgdon online data show anything for WST and 115gr ?

This post shows someone using 5.0gr WST. doesnt say what bullet, so it doesnt mean a whole lot.

http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=100685&view=findpost&p=1148619

A bunch as in 500. The online Hodgdon manual only has WST data for 10mm/.40S&W and I think .45ACP. Short of going out and just testing the load then looking for pressure signs I really dont know what to do here. I was just hoping to get a little input from someone else who may possibly use this powder for this bullet or who knows a whole bunch more than me about powders and burn rates.

[The_Vigilante]

I subscribe to LoadData and didn't find any loads for 115g using WST! You might check out this link: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=493588.

Edited April 8, 2010 by The_Vigilante

[beginner shooter]

I subscribe to LoadData and didn't find any loads for 115g using WST!

I'm starting to get a little affraid here.

[Bill Nesbitt]

I don't see ANY loads ANYWHERE that have Winchester WST loaded in 9mm Luger in any bullet weight. There's probably a good reason.

I wouldn't shoot them. I have a Hornady Third Edition and it isn't listed there.

You should probably pull them and chalk it up to a lesson learned.

[DougCarden]

Mike, what is your Overall length? OAL....The longer the better, but it still sounds a bit high for that powder in my experience.

You could just shoot one, and check the primer and case. I know a bunch of guys use it for 9x23 and 38 super, and I don't think they use that much for 130ish power factor in the longer cases.....

Be safe,

DougC

[herky]

Bill is right, Winchester does not list WST and 9mm in their manual I have.

[The_Vigilante]

It is true that WST and 115g are not mentioned in the manuals but aren't some of loads used by shooters for IDPA/USPSA also not in the loading manuals?

Edited April 8, 2010 by The_Vigilante

[G-ManBart]

Sierra lists a 9mm load with WST. They show a max charge of 5.8gr with a 90gr JHP or 95gr FMJ bullet. The JHP uses a bit more case volume (more pressure) than the FMJ so that explains why they show a heavier FMJ with the same charge. With a 115 and 5.2gr you may be over the limit. Lead/plated tends to lower the pressure, so you may not be way over the limit, but I'd suspect it's pretty darned close, and not something I'd really want to try.

There's a lesson in this Get some manuals. Better, add a Loadbooks One Book/One Caliber (like $15) and you'll have a ton of data available to you so you don't have to pull another 500 bullets. R,

[beginner shooter]

Mike, what is your Overall length? OAL....The longer the better, but it still sounds a bit high for that powder in my experience.

You could just shoot one, and check the primer and case. I know a bunch of guys use it for 9x23 and 38 super, and I don't think they use that much for 130ish power factor in the longer cases.....

Be safe,

DougC

The OAL is 1.135. The rounds go nicely into my gun with no obstruction with the bullet and rifling. I think what I MAY end up doing is putting one round into my H&K USP and trying it. My other option would be to pull all 500 rounds and start over with WSF or similar, but at this point I just dont know. One option is a pain in the ass the other could spell the end of a $830 gun and possibly digits.

Edited April 8, 2010 by beginner shooter

[DWFAN]

Sierra lists a 9mm load with WST. They show a max charge of 5.8gr with a 90gr JHP or 95gr FMJ bullet. The JHP uses a bit more case volume (more pressure) than the FMJ so that explains why they show a heavier FMJ with the same charge. With a 115 and 5.2gr you may be over the limit. Lead/plated tends to lower the pressure, so you may not be way over the limit, but I'd suspect it's pretty darned close, and not something I'd really want to try.

There's a lesson in this Get some manuals. Better, add a Loadbooks One Book/One Caliber (like $15) and you'll have a ton of data available to you so you don't have to pull another 500 bullets. R,

+1.. just found that Sierra load in my 9mm load book, but couldnt tell what the max charge was due to faint printing.

Those load books are the best $ ever spent.

[GrumpyOne]

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-249292.html

http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=33037&hl=wst

Edited April 8, 2010 by GrumpyOne

[Duke Nukem]

It took 3.4 of WST using 147 lead to make 130 PF in a CZ Shadow. 1.10 oal.

No pressure signs and half the smoke of N320. WST smells bad though, like pepper.

[beginner shooter]

Man guys, ever since Ive got into reloading all it seem I'm doing is fouling up. I guess the lesson here is not to believe what you read on the interweb. BTW, I DO have a Lyman reloading manual, but now I'm thinking Ill pick up a Sierra and a Hornady as well. I really do hate to learn lessons this way.... almost to the point of being bummed out by it. Well, gotta keep a positive attitude towards stuff like this and learn all I can from it. In the long run Ill be a better shooter and reloader for it.

Edited April 9, 2010 by beginner shooter

[jeep45238]

Man guys, ever since Ive got into reloading all it seem I'm doing is fouling up. I guess the lesson here is not to believe what you read on the interweb. BTW, I DO have a Lyman reloading manual, but now I'm thinking Ill pick up a Sierra and a Hornady as well. I really do hate to learn lessons this way.... almost to the point of being bummed out by it. Well, gotta keep a positive attitude towards stuff like this and learn all I can from it. In the long run Ill be a better shooter and reloader for it.

While it's certainly a pain to learn lessons the hard way, I bet you won't make that mistake again

[JimmyZip]

Don't sweat it man. Most if not all of us have been there.

Get a 12pak and drink one after you 50. Then after 100, and so on till the beer's gone. You will feel much better about the whole thing when you are done.

[NoSteel]

I know it's not apples to apples but I make Major PF with 5.0gr WST loaded out to 1.20 in my ,40 S&W with JHP's. With the larger case volume I have I would say you are not in a comfortable place with your load. The bullet your using will seal pretty well so less gas will be escaping causing higher pressures. Yes, it's a pain but I would say start over with a load that is better documented. If you still want to use WST, start with a lower charge in a SMALL quantity and run thru a chronograph to see where you are at. Keep an eye for pressure signs as you work up to power factor.

[Action Pistolero]

One of the rules of reloading is to reduce the load by 10% and work your way up slowly looking for pressure signs.

I did a search on this forum for WST and all of the loads that I found for 9mm were below 5 grains. The guys on here know their stuff so stick with us.

I load WST in a 9x23, which is similar to 38 Super, and I use 4.7 gr over a Sierra 115. I made up this load myself using a burn rate chart and comparing load densities. I started on the low side and worked up. Using my method, I would start @ 4 grs. I know several on here that load 9mm with 4.3 gr.

We've all made mistakes while reloading. I tried Win. AA Lite and found out real quick it wasn't suitable for what I wanted. It wasn't listed on a burn rate chart and I tried it anyway. I later found out that it was #2 on the chart. No wonder it didn't work.

[High Lord Gomer]

Through an M&P 9 full-size (4.25"), 5.0 gr of WST gave me 1117 fps for 128pf with Montana Gold 115gr CMJ.

Same load through a S&W 469 gave 1070 fps for 123 pf.

From what I've heard, the plated bullets will go faster and generate more pressure.

[G-ManBart]

Through an M&P 9 full-size (4.25"), 5.0 gr of WST gave me 1117 fps for 128pf with Montana Gold 115gr CMJ.

Same load through a S&W 469 gave 1070 fps for 123 pf.

From what I've heard, the plated bullets will go faster and generate more pressure.

No, plated bullets will generate LESS pressure, but they will go faster. R,

[High Lord Gomer]

Thanks, Bart!

I can go back to sleep, now...I have learned my one thing for today.

[beginner shooter]

I talked with my uncle last night about possible sollutions to dealing with this issue without having to pull all those bullets. What he recommend I do is take 10-12 shells and start with a load of WST at like 3.8gr. Then progressively work up towards the load I have now using a chronograph and checking each casing for pressure signs. His thinking is (and mine too) if by the time I get up to the loads that Ive already made and I still dont get pressure signs or ludicrous-speed on the chrono then I should be fine. This method also takes out the danger of firing the loads I already have and possible having a case rupture or worse on the first shot.

[9146gt]

9mm 115 and WST is in the Hornady Fourth Edition Manual. Starting load 5.2 at 1050 FPS 5.6 MAX load at 1150 FPS.Looks like the max load would be compressed.

How do you attached a scan of this page?

Tom