broadside72

He really took the gun from you? Sounds like disciplinary/remedial action is needed for that RO

Reach much? This definition of a shooting area does not say anything about "designated" or "specified" per the WSB. In this classifier, Box B meets the definition per 2.2.1.2 and it is as simple as that. The penalty portion in 10.2.1 and it's subsections mention nothing about shooting areas not specified for use in the WSB instructions.

The match also needs enough cash coming in to offset the additional costs for the additional staff needed to reset without impacting match flow. The typical 3 RO stage staff can't score, address stage issues, etc and reset efficiently enough to not impact match flow. Thus you need more staff. More staff means less funds coming in (match fee waived) or more funds going out (staff pay, shirts, lunches, lodging, per diems, etc) so you need high enough match fees to offset or more shooters actually paying to play.

If box B is there in the stage then it is still a shooting area after you are supposed to move to box C. There is no rule in the book about not being in a specific shooting area. Please show me where "designated shooting area" is defined or referenced anywhere in the rulebook.

Yes a hypothetical. Just because the WSB says you need to perform an action during a string, that does not mean that the physical objects within the stage disappear. There is no rule to support your previous comment that the initial shooting area does not exist because you are outside the "designated shooting area" for the string. So 10.2.1.2 can't apply if the person is in the starting box and does not move.

So you saying that if I am supposed to shoot array A from box A and array B from box B, all within one string, I can't get any penalties for reengaging array A to make up shots because array A no longer exists and I just get the best X hits?

it's 1,000x easier to shoot more stages in a day without staff reset when the entire squad pitches in the entire time. I really hate it when it's me and one other guy the last few stages resetting and everyone else is sitting on their asses.

How does that rule even apply here? If you don't move, you are still in a shooting area. It's not the designated area per the WSB, but the area where you start does not magically no longer exist because the WSB says to move to another shooting area.

Most of goals have been tossed out the window. Now I shoot for fun with a little hope that I get better.

I drive to the majors I shoot and drag my trailer with me so multiple days is usually not an issue for me. I often prefer it actually After 10-11 stages in a day though it starts to wear on me and the last stage or two my performance is really impacted. However those single day showings are usually staff matches which are dragged out and as a very active CRO with MD/RM experience I spend a lot of energy reviewing the stages for issues and resetting, running shooters, etc. as I care about the outcome of the match and equity for everyone even if it is not a match related to my club or that I am running. Sure I could get in better shape but a long day of shooting and essentially working the match as the same time can be exhausting.

There is no rule for being outside the "defined shooting area", just being outside "fault lines" (10.2.1) and the WSB forcing you to move during the string does not magically make the other shooting box (aka a set of fault lines) disappear. I do think that classifiers should list the penalties considered to be significant advantage. If the setups need to be identical for the classifiers to mean anything across venues, then the application of the rules should be identical as well and not subject to any one RO's discretion.

https://www.alphamikenoshoot.com/ That will give you points per second and match points percentage (plus A/C ratio) over time in each division. Pretty useful to see progress. There is also a cool classification calculator to give you the percentage you need to move up in class

A good RO/CRO wants to make the right call so they will use an overlay without being asked. A better RO/CRO will use one even if the call is pretty clear (but close) to make it known to the shooter/delegate that its being done right and called right.

Then archery should be okay if you can move your head and your vision will settle. Even PRS?NRL (centerfire or rimfire versions) should be somewhat tolerable if you move slow though expect to time out on some stages. Fly fishing can be exciting, detail oriented and requires similar practice and discipline as shooting if you want to to be good at it TBH Get your instructor creds and teach the noobs? I find even teaching our new to comp shooting course to be rewarding.

Suppose it depends on how much and the type of movement your head can take before your vision goes wonky.

Think of it like a raffle to help support the hosting club/range and it comes with a good match (hopefully) with 2-3x the number of usual stages, a lunch, maybe a shirt and small swag bag just for entering. The raffle could be for some nice things like guns, presses, product certs, etc.

I'd say significant on this one since there is no difference in target distance but you are saving a ton of time without the lateral move.

there is ambiguity in many things and calling it out for classifiers makes the standard application standard for everyone. think about the new 22 proposed classifiers, specifically 22-03 Double Stacked. The leans for the front targets are decent enough when going fast and the corners of the walls are right there, how does one know if the support gained by leaning on those walls is significant or not? they are outside the shooting area so it's a penalty, but how much of one?

It would be much easier if the WSB's could just call out the major expected penalties and take the ambiguity out of it.

They definitely look like the swell is much lower than the Lok version, which I have and really like. For my large hands, I don't think that the PD ones would fit my grip very well.

This issue is one of the reasons that I like that my home club. Before two others and myself took over as a group, there was one guy as MD and he designed most of the stages. There was some variety from what I remember, but they often had the same "flavor" across the match. Maybe I was too green then to notice the differences but I'll stick to that opinion. Once our new group took over we built up a decent sized group of regular stage designers/builders and we all had our own styles. That made for 5-6 stages that were usually different styles and tested different things every single match. Now that we have moved on, the person we trained up and gave the reins to works the same. Still a core group of us designing each month so the stages are usually very well received with variety. One of the other clubs I frequent has a similar result, but the other one is usually consistently "flavored" but I think that is somewhat due to bay restrictions

I don't like stages where the majority of targets are more difficult than average. One or two hard shots in a couple stages is good I think when if you to test people on accuracy or testing ability to transition speed (fast-slow-fast) or if you had just got their heart rate up and want to push them under the extra biological stress. Those are all components of practical shooting.

So don't have this at 35+ yards?

I've been shot down by RM/RMI's in the field and on this site by trying to use that part of the rules. It should be removed or allowed to be enforced. Keeping it there as-is is essentially making the rulebook meaningless if you can't use the words as they are printed.

They will discuss it once the poll period is over.