Forrest Halley

Haha I'm sorry to be gunning for ya, but I've got some big fish to fry in Louisiana...so good luck with Ed. By the way I swear his mother was a ballerina and his father was some sort of matrix character....which explains the prancing speed shooting!

Registration will open at 0815. Shooters’ Safety Briefing will be at 0845. Shooting starts at 0900. Directions: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=4292+Range+Rd,+Mechanicsville,+VA+23111&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=36.999937,56.513672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=4292+Range+Rd,+Mechanicsville,+Hanover,+Virginia+2311 20$ typical entry fee Hope to see a good sized gathering of roundgunners there! If you are on the fence because of gear deficiencies let me know and we'll try to accomodate you as best we can. Try to bring around six speedloaders or as many and you have and we'll share around.

No eight shooter yet...been shooting with John Z Sr and he's dragging me faster and faster. Sort of like learning to run a marathon by being tied to a truck. Directions: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=4292+Range+Rd,+Mechanicsville,+VA+23111&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=36.999937,56.513672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=4292+Range+Rd,+Mechanicsville,+Hanover,+Virginia+2311 Registration will open at 0815. Shooters’ Safety Briefing will be at 0845. Shooting starts at 0900. These are the typical times for this range.

Steel Match at Black Creek in Mechanicsville, VA this Saturday. It would be great to see a strong showing of wheelgunners there like we had last weekend at Sir Walter. 8 stages with a minimum of 236 rounds. Details at http://blackcreeksteel.wordpress.com/

It's looking like 8 stages with a 236 round minimum. Club has lots of steel and is a very well run match. I'm no John Z Sr, but let's try a put a decent showing out of round gunners. Details at http://blackcreeksteel.wordpress.com/

With the limited availability of ICORE....you're right. I wouldn't say USPSA is REVO friendly, but atleast they don't outright hate them. The longer courses will make you a better shooter and a more efficient reloader. Amen to that. However the lessons I learn in a match are definitely remembered, driven home, etc. 1. Chamber check all moonclips you load before the match. As they can be had for $.35 a piece...no excuse not to. 2. Don't open the cylinder before you're going to reload. If you do dump it and reload or pay the clicks depending on your splits. 3. Seat primers firmly or jack up the strain screw tension...your choice ahead of time...one choice during the match.

Haha....somethin like that. Jerry Miculek is married to Kay CLARK-Miculek if you weren't joking.

A tip of the cap is in order for John Z Sr. That was an amazing turnout, very fun and great company. I enjoyed meeting everybody and hope to see you all again at the next match. A side note: A squad of Revo shooters managed to have a great time at today's match and were so efficient that they didn't create a backup on any stage and spent some time waiting on the bottom feeder squad ahead of them...Haha

Take a dremel and grind down the shrouds until they no longer contact the fat part of the frame and you will no longer have this problem. I actually used tin snips at first and finished the job with the dremel. Once it is no longer sprung apart by the frame it works quite well. YMMV

Sigs aren't that modular, unfortunately. The locking block needs to match the barrel, and I think the 220 block may be thinner than the 226 block and not fit correctly into the 226 frame. Come to think of it, the 226 frame rails may be too wide for the 220 slide as well. I don't have both of mine in front of me to confirm. yeah I knew about the locking block business. Just wondering if it could happen. I don't own a 226 so I can't toy around and figure it out.

Seriously I think the JM stocks/grips are a great innovation. I have noticed the drop in split time and draw to sight alignment time. Funny how gettting one of those little timer things keeps you honest and helps you grow. Carmoney's rebirth of the shaved hammer design is a worthy innovation although he didn't create it, he has contributed to making it more available. I saw an old design the other day the SW 242 which was a seven shot internal hammer 38. Perhaps making a 625 with a frame like that would change the game a little with the ability to get a higher grip. You then open yourself up to glock-like(horrors)strikers and such. Imagine an 8 or 10 shot revo built on a scandium x frame and a titanium cylinder. The stroke would be short for advancement and the reset might be shortened considerably too. Then Jerry would have to prove he wasn't using a machinegun. I think the greatest innvoation potential is in the auto ejection of spent cases...get that reliable and speedloaders are back in the game too. How much time does a gadget have to save to be considered an innovation. The remarkable shooter will always be remarkable now matter what....is a given, but the unremarkable shooter that can save and shave here and there is a good thing too. Just a rambling mind at play, Forrest

About the 170mm mags...why not just fit an STI 2011 mag release and buff the horns off the STI or SVI 170's where the research and development is already done? SPS has a 170 out of the para also, but it's your dream. I like the idea of a stainless widebody frame with full checkering and rails. Ambi and extended controls would also be nice. How about some grips other than the standard skinny grips for those with big hands. Dream gun: Stainless widebody 40 with bull barrel and full length dustcover with heavy guide rod and magwell. Something approaching revolver weights in the 50's. Option to run a 45 or 9 slide on it would be nice also. Not really looking for a game gun with it, I like heavy blasters.

If you are that worried about the magazine chute...get a set of the hogue open front rubber grips. My 220st is slick loading with them, but I do feel the hangups on the hard plastic grips. This would also clear up some of the recoil issues. For Minor loading....I would go for a 3.5gr clays with a 200gr swc. All of the big three factory stuff is major some by quite a bit. Recoil is definitely less pronounced using minor loads. The naysayers make a really valid point about shooting production with a single stack 45....it's 9mm land and your down on the rounds. Consider going limited 10 with the big mags. It's the best option for the gun. ON that note anybody ever tried running a 220 slide on a 226 frame with 40 mags tuned for 45? Just a thought. You might see if a Bolen follower will work in Sig magazines....

Everybody forgot to mention the lightning reaction time from a jacket pocket. Hands in pockets fingers on triggers...pockets and jackets are cheap by comparison. I guess the little guy could also be used as an opener as well and then transition to the primary while others are still figuring out what happened to the plan. Since the five shooters don't reload all that quickly why not?

Well Ron I'm backing up John Z on this one. The man works hard at the matches and is an outstanding guy. Enough with the character reference, but the fact of the matter is that it's difficult to get people out to shoot the revolver only with the high popularity of sneak and peek/run and gun. I enjoy ICORE matches immensely, but we're having problems getting off the ground as far as the local matches go. When it's only 10 or so people on a good day showing up it becomes quite difficult to get too crazy with the setup and COF due to monetary concerns. The inherent challenge of shooting a revolver compared to the superslick bottom feeding brass scattering devices is an obstacle to many new shooters that come out. After a poor performance even with all the encouragement in the world many shooters do not return. In light of the ammo prices I recently saw at Wallyworld...the weekend warrior looking to buy his or her ammunition has no small obstacle to overcome, especially if shooting the revolver is only a secondary or even tertiary concern. How many of you ICORE shooters out there shoot revolver in the other two games as well? Revos are not all that welcome in IDPA due to certain rules and percieved disadvantage. We have no choice but to compete against the autos directly for we are small in number there. Lost brass is a big concern and 38 is more expensive than 9mm for those that do not reload and very little comes off the shelf at 120 PF in your chain stores. I am not giving up on any shooting sport no matter how ridiculous...hold on I'll be right back...gotta reload. Number one obstacle to ICORE is that it doubles up the weekend and many shooters can't attend two matches in one weekend for many reasons. Perhaps more attention should be given to moving ICORE indoors. This is just the opinion of a strong willed 27 year old that shoots a revolver in all three games in my area. Forrest Halley LVA625JM

Please update upon the completion of your experiment. I noticed that THE TRIGGER ON my 100% relaible 357 is a lot lighter than my 100% reliable 45. I thought it was just my imagination, but I tend to agree that the small primers are a little easier to light off. Is this due to the small anvil having less give in the base legs? One would think that a larger primer would bend to the hammer strike easier. Thoughts? Try a screw gun or high speed drill with a P3 or P2 bit as your reamer. This is what I use to open up military primer pockets. It's fairly fast and effective. Be sure to get a carbon steel bit as they tend to be sharper.

Not to beat the dead horse, but learn to make good hits with the 642. I find it to be a challenge to shoot when compared to a fullsize gun. This can be easily overcome with some laser grips, but know where it hits in case they don't work. When looking at loads I would look at the Golddot load that was made for the short barrel or something light fast and ferocious. I would consider carrying two or more speed loaders in a pocket also. They aren't all that bulky and they'll keep you going should there be multiple threats. I have always thought that the realworld ballistics of the snubnose derived from shooting phone books and plywood necessitated at least two shots per customer.

For 140 and labor you can rebarrel whatever length you find to five inch. You might find the pin in frame models shoot a little faster, but the hammer mounted firing pins are more reliable IMHO at a given pull weight. Have you tried your 646 in USPSA yet? What was it like in Major?

Thanks for tthe tip Mike, I am afraid I will need it one day with my 625-2 it's a hard pin gun and rumor has it that screw isnt made anymore?

John Thanks for the kind words and invite. I am qualifying this weekend. 8 hours on Sat and undisclosed on Sun. I have had the joy of revo reload at night with a light in hand. Moonclips are a God send!

Carmoney makes a great point that I forgot to mention. Muzzle during movement. It almost happened to me at an ICORE match...I heard through the electro muffs a spectator say isnt his muzzle a little close...and rolled to my right and completed my reload. In addition I left out that the weakhanded reload may indeed by factor to get back on target if all reloads are standing...as in an extended steel event or pin shooting. I find the shooting grip being un broken allows the gun to be brought back on target faster for subsequent shots. Thoughts Mike and John? I'll have to try that with the speed loaders. I have been strong hand stabbing due to Idpas position requirements. I run moons in uspsa and icore. Seems rather self evident on re-examining my moonclip grasp. Thanks.

Practice both. They have their uses....especially when and if you get to the far weak side of your belt. Generally speaking the swap should be faster. There is virtually no time lost to the weak hand reload in the transfer to the weak hand and if you are punching out the empties as you are drawing the fresh shells from the holder you've made up time on the weak hand reload. The only real problem is regaining a consistant shooting grip after the recharge of the cylinder. I figure if Jerry Miculek GM, Elliot Aysen GM, and Matt Griffin(a lefty GM) all swap....it's gotta be the fastest way. All this being said you need to have stock that is conducive to the swap reload. Some of the super grippy rubber ones stick to the hand and do not allow easy entry and exit from the shooting grip. I personally choose the weakhand reload here because re-establishing a consistant shooting grip is difficult and you may find yourself still trying to accomplish this after the cylinder is fully closed. YMMV I just shoot a little and think a lot. Forrest

You shoot so fast you don't even have time to decide whether you like the grips or not....

I get the rules all mixed up between the three revo games.

If you swap reload try the Miculek grips. I really like them and find they fit nicely. www.bang-inc.com