spook

Well, round noses reload most consistently. I personally don't know anyone that uses anything else but round noses. I used 230 grain roundnoses. Practiced some reloads with SWCs and flat points, and while I could do reloads just as fast with either one of those, the 230 round noses were the most consistent by far. If you break the edges of the holes in the cylinder just a tad with a small file or chamfering tool, your reloads will be as fast as you can do 'em. Also, the bullets for .45COLT are .454/.455 if I'm not mistaking. Bullets for .45ACP are .451/.452.

Dryfire weak hand shooting every day (just a couple of trigger pulls, something like 30 maybe) and put a couple of rounds downrange everytime you're at the range. Basically there is no difference between weak hand, strong hand or freestyle. It's just what you're used to. Get used to shooting weak handed.

Crap! I hate long walks on the beach

That's about the same amount I would spend reloading. Changing the primer seating to the downstroke....hmmm, I'll leave that one to you. Converting the 650 case feeder suddenly doesn't sound too difficult anymore

Awesome! Looked more like a Rugby play than Football.

I bought a 617 to practice for cheap too, back when I was still shooting revolvers (625 in competition). I found the value of the 617 limited in te amount of things I could do, but very valuable for accuracy work and one handed shooting. Other freestyle stuff I rather practiced with the 625 otherwise it felt like I was shooting a .44 magnum when I switched back. My timing would be off etc. But with one handed shooting, timing sucks anyways. It's more of a precision thing, so the .22 is good for that

True, and I've needed a lot of them often. I'm surprised to read the SDB would be preferred over the 650, etc. I just "assumed" they were better machines...from looking at them, working the handle, etc. Never used one though!! Save a lot of time if the primers were done on the downstroke...I'm "lobbying". I have owned and loaded on both. I took a break from shooting (a lot) and now that I have returned and also started reloading again, my thoughts about reloading have changed. I started thinking about why some hate to reload and claim that owning a faster press is better cause you can "spend more time shooting". Well it takes me about 18 minutes to make 150 rounds on a SDB and I will never run into problems, plus I like how smooth and simple the press is. On the 650 it took me over 10 minutes to do the same (if everything went OK, see below). I don't really mind spending an extra whopping 15 minutes a week (we're talking loading for two 150 round sessions, about 1200 rounds of 9mm per month) The SDB gives me the sense of freedom where I can just start reloading a couple of rounds whenever I feel like it. With the 650 I had to set everything up and "get into a reloading session". With the 650, I had to fill the Casefeeder crank the handle 6 times to get the first primer to station 1 and start loading. After the buzzer went I always had to guess how many primers were left in the disc. It was also more "clunky" than the SDB. Also, when SHTF, the time I spent solving it nullified the advantage the 650 had over the SDB (time wise). And SHTF a lot more on the 650 than on the SDB. Stuck primers that hung up the disc, powder spills, fumbling with the powder check, case feeder woes, had my first primer pop in the 650 (not funny knowing most press blowups are 650's, because it doesn't separate the primer you're inserting into the case from the other 99 in the tube/disc) Since I'm one of those guys that makes ammo right before going to the range, it sucks to run into problems with the press, cause you'll miss a training session. Long story (with a lot of rambling) short: I downgraded from a 650 to a SDB and I really enjoy reloading again If I will start shooting more than 2000/month for one caliber, I will probably upgrade to a 1050. But no more 650's for me.

The diamonds in the Hearthco moonclips will scratch the tool and render it useless...

I used a dremel with the felt polishing thingy and polishing paste. Works well.

I'd bet the reliability and durability is much greater with a 1050. I don't think the SDB would stand up to that many rounds. I'd be ecstatic if they have the primer seating on the down-stroke on a SDB...forget the case feeder. Yes, but the SDB gets you those nice free parts. 1050 doesn't have the No-BS warrantee I like loading on the SDB and I also like loading on a 1050 (friend of mine has one). I didn't like the two years I spent loading on the 650 one bit. So if I had to choose between a $1500 1050 and a $350 SDB with a casefeeder that would get me just as many rounds an hour (or close), I would get the SDB. Conversions on a 1050 are as expensive as a complete SDB. I would get SDB's in every caliber I loaded and switch the casefeeder around Hmm, maybe I need to do some research on converting a 650 casefeeder to a SDB-casefeeder....

Happened to me once the day before a mtch (damn dry firing). My smith just drilled a hole through the frame and installed a new (non S&W) pin. Problem solved.

Crap Maybe a nice cylinder to build a Steel Challenge 9mm with?

Bud was a great guy according to the many stories I have heard. I have been unfortunate to have never met him. My sincere condoleances to all that have...

The truth if I ever heard it.,..... Did some math today. I could do 800 rounds on the 650 and I can do 400 rounds (easily) on the SDB. I shoot about 15K 9mm/year. That means I would reload 18.75 hours on the 650 vs 37.5 hours on the SDB annually. Or 1.6 hours a month versus 3.2 hours (probably closer to 2.5-3.0) hours with the SDB. Now add caliber changes to that (on the 650) versus having multiple SDB's setup on your bench. I don't think I will ever switch to anything else A casefeeder for the SDB would be ultimate, but Dillon will never produce one. They would put themselves out of business. You could probably have 1000 rounds/hour on a SDB with casefeeder , so why bother buying a 1050 that costs 4-5 times as much?

I recently went back from a 650 to a SDB (thought I quit shooting, but changed my mind) and actually like it better. Go figure. Priming on the SDB is so much better that I'll take the slower speed that comes with it. The only thing I'll upgrade to is a 1050.

What a cute puppy man! Now I gotta go pay my parents a visit to see the dogs again...

+1 You rock man! That's one cute lookin' dawggy!

They made a 6-shot Ti cylinder for the 646 L-frame in .40S&W, but since this one sez 686... makes me wonder too.

Well, speaking of soccer, we have the Hooligan phenomenon over here, which is just as ugly Be glad it ranks so low

I beg to differ. That seems to be a UFC thing. I love to watch MMA and the only thing I see when I watch a bout is technique. I love MMA because it is one of the most technically challenging (if not the most) sport. What I loved about PrideFC vs. the UFC was the audience. The Japanese watch MMA like most people watch tennis. "Ooh's and Aah's" only when there are some spectacular actions and applause when someone passed the opponent's guard. No booing, or yelling "gay" when the fight goes to the ground or throwing beercans or other retarded stuff. Even Rampage complained that people booed him after his first UFC appearance...

Well Chriss, seemed like we were both right: Randy talks about his resignation (long press conference) Certainly a lot of money related crap in there (more than I expected), but also total lack of respect from the Fertittas and especially White... I love the part where he says he's not going to bash Dana, then bashes Dana and then repeats he will not bash Dana

Spook - Some of us don't like the extra weight up front. It's not like you're fighting massive recoil with a 130 PF load. Ah yes, hadn't thought of that one. Woundn't a nice K-frame model 66 or 67 be better in that case?

Probably. Another reason not to buy it. I hate shooting collectibles

LOL first thing I thought: "When he reads your offer and then looks at your avatar, he'll never come 'round these forums again"