Hi-Power Jack

I load my MG to 1.165" and lots of people loading PD's out to 1.165", BUT what do you load RMRs 124 JHP's to ?

I load my MG to 1.165" and lots of people loading PD's out to 1.165", BUT what do you load RMRs 124 JHP's to ?

Not even a suppressor ???

3. Let the brass dry completely before loading ... see if that helps I'm surprised you're getting only PF 127 with 6.7 gr HS6 under a 115 gr bullet - I would have guessed more like PF 150.

I've never tried it, myself, just took accepted wisdom that the comp won't work as well with less powder - Have to give it a try one day. Any idea what powder they're using ?

What ??? Speak up, dammit.

I lived in New York for 35 years, and most people don't realize that there are TWO (2) different New Yorks 1. New York City 2. The rest of New York State, which is a large state. With the exception of NYC, the rest of the state isn't anywhere near as bad as most people think. The local judge in my upstate county felt that Every Honest, Law Abiding Citizen should carry a concealed firearm And, he issued CCW permits left and right.

1. Did you notice where those 4 shots landed on the paper ? Noticeably lower ? 2. How long has the powder been sitting in your hopper ? 3. Do you let the case lube dry thoroughly before you pour powder into the cases? 4. Any different feel (recoil) or smoke for those 4 shots that sounded different ? 5. How did the cartridge cases look for those 4 shots ? 6. Do you have a light source that enables you to actually visually check the powder level in each and every case before you seat the bullet ? BTW, what PF are you getting from that load ? Sounds like a heavy Minor load, but not quite a Major load ???

Is he using them for USPSA ? Using a comp ? Know what powder he's using ? Any idea WHY he's doing that ? Love to hear some more details about that, if you happen to know them.

I've been using MG for years, but just got 1,000 each of PD and RMR's - fired a few of each yesterday and they both seem to be okay - the PD's seem a little more accurate in my TruBor, but I need more work with both of them.

I don't see anything ...

1. If your combo is NOT better/flatter/softer, why is it preferred ? Is it the extra cost, or the case being full ? Or, something else ??? 2. I have to agree that I do NOT have data to support that claim - but I do feel that it has a real good chance of being an accurate statement. BUT, no data .... 3. not sure how you showed me why my reasoning is flawed ????

And, enjoy every moment

Congrats. I don't doubt the superiority of your load. I guess WAC/124 gr bullets is probably as bad as it gets, since no one is using 147's any more. But, the small advantage of 3N38 isn't going to get me to A, I can tell .... I have much worse problems holding me back. But, if I were much younger, and could force myself to dryfire (I can't), and I could afford to shoot 15,000 rounds/year and spend 3-4 days/week shooting, and start attending Large Matches again, I would not only admit to the superiority of 3N38, I would probably even give it a try Meanwhile, I shall continue to recommend 3N38 to serious shooters, and continue to plod along with WAC.

Yeah, I started with HS6 also, but with 115 gr bullets (very nice load, but dirty). When I switched to WAC and 124 gr bullets, I really liked the ease of reloading, and found that my scores (depressing that they were) did not get worse by having an "inferior" load - seems like using SP2 or 3N38 wasn't going to make me shoot much better . I'd still be a B. But, I'll take your advice and get some rubber washers - thanks for the tip. Jack

Yes, it can, but doesn't have to Shoot what you have, dry fire a lot and hit 1-2 local matches a month, and you won't have much invested in the sport. BUT, if you want to get a WonderGun, shoot 10-15,000 rounds/year and start travelling to larger matches ... YUP, it can quickly add up to $12,000/year (don't ask how I know)

Until someone local helps you out, you might want to get on www.USPSA.org and see what local clubs offer competitive shooting - they will probably also have multi-gun comps.

I'm not trying to spread any kind of fear (rational or irrational) of 'compressed loads'. I think it's pretty obvious from all the shooting that's been done by thousands of 9mm Major shooters over the past decade, that although most of our loads (compressed or not) are NOT listed in any reloading texts, there doesn't seem to be any problems in the right gun. I'm not afraid of compressed loads, just don't like them because the powder tends to spill on my reloader (SDB) and harder for me to keep the bullet in the case with all that powder. No danger, just preference, for a little open space between the powder and the bullet.

If I were loading precision rounds, weighing each load on my scale, then I'd need greater precision in my scale. As long as my scale can tell me if a bullet is 115 or 124 grains, I'm happy with it. Since I load pistol for action events, I actually use the powder dispenser built into my SDB reloader to handle the amount of powder dispensed. So, I use my scale ONLY as a rough idea how much powder I'm throwing. My scale has nothing to do with accuracy - that's limited to the accuracy of my SDB. And, I don't decide on how much powder to dispense using the scale - for that I use my chrono. Same would apply, I would think, to even rifle rounds being reloaded using the powder dispenser built into your 650 or 1050 press. Seems to me, IMHO, we don't need great precision in our scales, if we are dispensing powder using any type of reloading press and a chrono.

They are going to continue to sell standard capacity mags, but NOT high capacity mags.

Not sure we're talking about the same thing here, Flat ....

I switched from HS6 to WAC for the same reason - have more "free space", since I didn't like trying to cram the 124 gr MG JHP into the case with 8 gr HS6. Plus, it tends to spill out onto the reloading press shellplate. Must be less pressure with more "free space" but 9mm Major loads are way over spec anyway. Any of the powders we typically use for 9mm Major, with the 115 - 124 gr jacketed bullets we use, are all "safe" in a gun designed to shoot 9mm Major. I haven't heard that life expectancy of a STI 9mm Major depends on the "free space" - still should be good for 50 -100,000 rounds, even though some parts will have to be replaced. There is a technical, mathematical answer to your question, but I've never seen one published, and it doesn't seem to have any discernible effect on safety or longevity of equipment. You (and I ) have sensibly, in my opinion, selected the powder that increases our safety margin, but others on BE are pushing the limits with compressed loads, to no apparent disadvantage.

Reading and talking about comps is lots of fun, but pales in comparison to actually doing it Just remember, learn the rules and SAFETY first, 2nd and probably 3rd. Don't get hurt or hurt anyone - just have fun.

See my response above from Jan 21st. The third response. If you're going to be throwing powder from a powder dispenser there's no sense getting too precise with the scale. Use your chrono to refine your powder throw - does it make PF by a wide enough safety margin ? If yes, it's all okay

You're coming from, and going to, gun friendly states. My only Nationals about ten years ago, I flew out of New York with an OPEN gun. No problem. NY State Trooper examined my bag and gun, and asked why I had newspaper in my gun case. I told him it was to keep gun oils off the case, and he nodded approvingly. Don't sweat Pa or FL - piece of cake. p.s. I did go to the airport the day before and discussed the regulations so I didn't forget anything or delay my flight.