MemphisMechanic

@motosapiens do you black out the top of the fiber with a sharpie to calm it down? Helps a lot for me.

.210” is the ticket.

@Startingover no one can see a private account’s video.

I made it up? ? I’ve never shot Open. I know they hold 30 when barnied up. And they are annoyingly loud, and that’s about it. “30+/-“ is what I was meaning to type.

With either one of these, I'd want the magazine situation to be figured out well before I dropped that kind of money. Would suck to find that I couldn't get to 30+ rounds easily and reliably... and I think it's a challenge you face with both brands in Open.

Heads up:

That’s why they’ve gotta keep cutting once they get the optic mounted

? You just got stuck on the squad where we have one person that still likes to write everything down! Everywhere else it’s all Kindle, all the time. Yes, we’ve ditched the nooks for modern tech, too!

Hmm. 21 meticulously placed rounds in positions that require precise entries and setups, then let you cut loose and blast away on the move, then get hard on the sights again... all while trying to decide which of the 4 viable stage plans best suits your personal strengths... Versus a 32 round stage where you run, fire 8 shots, run, fire 8 shots? I’ll take stage #1 any day of the week. For one thing, there’s two subtle things that happen when you lower the round count: 1) There are less points to be earned in your 15 seconds of scooting & shooting, so the hit factor is lower. Suddenly Alphas benefit you more - even in Major your shooters need to be smart enough to see this. 2) It really shows you where you are strong and weak in your movement; someone who shoots fast but has horrible footwork will get destroyed by someone who moves well. No one is saying that every stage needs to be lowered in round count. We’re saying there are 12, 18, and 24 round stages out there which are seriously challenging ballbusters and which compliment the long courses in your match.

@rowdyb I think you know what I meant. There are bad stages, and bad stages which clearly favored a specific division in their construction. I agree with yo uthat a truly good stage is going to interest everyone equally.

@highhope the 510C has a SUPER bright 2moa dot with a 60ish MOA circle around it. (You can also run just the dot or just the circle.) It’s an EOTech, miniaturized and fixed. Also with a much clearer reticle, and thousands of hours of battery life. Can’t say enough good things about that optic: every time I shoot a friend’s gun with the traditional CMore on it, it makes me glad I went the Holosun route.

@GeneBray I’ve been shooting PCC and I’m one of the guys who helps design our stages. I make it a personal goal to put my Production / Limited hats on when I design a stage. I never want anyone to be able to walk into the bay and be able to say “this was obviously designed by a PCC shooter.” Multiple options for running the course, choosing whether to post up or shoot on the move, easy and hard entrances and exits... there are a lot of ways to make a stage challenging without putting an array of tight partials at 32yd so that rifle guys run away from everyone else.

To be perfectly honest.... for 2 or 3 gun? Why not grab a Stock II and run it cocked and locked with a wide thumb safety if the DA pull somehow offends you? In 9mm (no major for pistol in multigun) there's really not much you're giving up over the Limited with a Stock II / III / Limited Pro in the $900 range. If the square trigger guard (competition frame) metal Tanfos are out of your budget right now, well, keep shooting the M&P while you save up. It's worth the wait.

When I set it up. Otherwise. 28-32 rounds is absolutely the norm.

Sure about that, a year later?

Production shooter: Personally I overlap both belts in front where no weight is applied. I put the inner belt on normally and then index the holster into the correct position to put on the outer belt. If you don’t put on your belt and then know if you’re centered from a dry grip on #1 magazine and the gun... you definitely need to dryfire more.

I’m aware - I’d save up, if it were my gun. That was my point. Square trigger guard or bust.

Yes. Definitely. Exactly. A PCC has a fraction of the gas to work with that an Open pistol or 5.56 rifle does. Your first port absolutely needs to be upward, and its size matched to your ammo. Think of it more like adding popple holes to the barrel of an Open gun, than a brake or comp. You want full gas pressure to come out of that port before you lose what little of it you have. I also think that having such an ultralight front end helped to flatten my gun out: a heavier barrel and handguard are going to be harder for a little puff of gas to push around.

If you want single action, I'd be looking to spend the money on a Limited / Limited Custom / EAA Termoftheday for the same basic gun.

If I had an Open gun to put an optic on tomorrow? Hands down, Holosun 510c and whomever it is that makes the mount for it. I run one on my PCC and it’s phenomenal. I run a trouble-free DPP 2.5 on my CO gun, but if I could get a 510C on it, I absolutely would. EDIT: Holosun on an Open gun:

Post a photo of the comp which shows both the side and the top, please. Haven’t found a good one online.

Thanks. Helpful info! Yes, that’s why I was saying our guns logically should prefer very different things. My locals running hydro buffers and the same spring as I have similar bolt travel and much more felt recoil. For reference, if all 3 are bone stock, the Guard is halfway between the conventional AR9 and an MPX. An odd mix. Now let’s give this man with the sexy new gun his thread back.

@JAFO and it becomes much easier to identify a malfunction from an empty gun, if it consistently locks back. Agreed. With high round counts, I’d stop to give the BCG/upper a quick scrub halfway through. Or at least re-oil her in the safe area. Just a thought.

Well. I mean. “Spy” as in, I spied it right there on Instagram...

Definitely. For reference, at around 20yds mine with chew about a 4” to 5” group in the target as fast as you can pull the trigger. Two shots with the fastest split you can rip will generally land around 2” or so apart. I will say that on my personal gun, I got the gun to keep the group within the A at 25 yds with buffer and spring tuning. Tuning to comp to the ammo (enlarging the ports) was where much of the rest of the stability came from. They’re what flattened the gun out totally. Some guys are adamant that compensators on PCCs are merely a decoration. Those guys did not build my rifle; I have video evidence that clearly shows how much it helped. Learning how to properly shoulder the gun and not let it rock me back AT ALL was also more of a help than you’d expect; imagine your shoulder and offhand are a vise and you are trying to crush the gun between the two. Much like gripping a handgun, driving a rifle should be work.