Thaunk Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 So this has been a fun week. I've got a few firearms coming into my local FFL. What I didn't know is that if you have multiple firearms transferred to you within a week the FFL has to notify the FBI and BATF that you're a "multiple purchaser". This seemed to cause him some consternation on my behalf and he's told me I should probably wait. Is this advice I should heed or is he being overly cautious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aandabooks Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Depends on if you want to get held everytime you fill out a 4473. Couple years ago I bought 3 pistols on the same day from 3 different dealers at a gun show. Ever since then I don't get immediate approval. Not a huge deal as being an IL resident I am subject to a 3 day waiting period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothandnail Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 It don't raise any problems until you get above , I'm pretty sure it's ~10, per day or 30 in one month. then you will get a visit by the ATF to make sure your not reselling. 3-4 no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncledoc Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Some dealers ask you to wait to save on paperwork. I think Academy ask you to wait eight days before purchasing a second firearm if I remember correctly. At that was on a sign I read in 2012/2013. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilBunniFuFu Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Last time I made a multiple purchase my FFL said that they don't need to notify for long guns but if it is multiple handguns on the same 4473 then they have to notify somebody, don't remember who though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarosean Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 4473 then they have to notify somebody, don't remember who though. In border states, one notification goes to the local sheriff one to the ATF. Ive done 3 at one time before... However, now-a-days I prefer to wait the week between transfers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarosean Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 wont let me edit in the relevant code... https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/923 (3) (A)Each licensee shall prepare a report of multiple sales or other dispositions whenever the licensee sells or otherwise disposes of, at one time or during any five consecutive business days, two or more pistols, or revolvers, or any combination of pistols and revolvers totalling two or more, to an unlicensed person. The report shall be prepared on a form specified by the Attorney General and forwarded to the office specified thereon and to the department of State police or State law enforcement agency of the State or local law enforcement agency of the local jurisdiction in which the sale or other disposition took place, not later than the close of business on the day that the multiple sale or other disposition occurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elguapo Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Just buy from a private seller. Problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaunk Posted September 25, 2015 Author Share Posted September 25, 2015 So yes multiple handguns. It looks like the waits have it. Is it good policy to tell the sellers it'll be a bit before their pistols are transferred to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncledoc Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 So yes multiple handguns. It looks like the waits have it. Is it good policy to tell the sellers it'll be a bit before their pistols are transferred to me? When I cannot wait, I use two different FFLs in my area. It allowed me to take advantage of a limited deal that I would have missed if I waited a week. YMMV... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaunk Posted September 25, 2015 Author Share Posted September 25, 2015 I would if there were two near where I work but there's only the one fellow that I'm aware of. And everything is already on it's way to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 I've got a few firearms coming into my local FFL. Lucky you. Wish I had few firearms coming in ... :bow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaunk Posted September 25, 2015 Author Share Posted September 25, 2015 Yeah all things considered I'm pretty excited. Patience is a virtue I am sorely lacking in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkuJustice Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Ya it really isnt an issue it is one extra form that gets sent to local LEO which im sure is filed in the trash can and the ATF. never seen an issue with one and I have seen some that get alot of multiples. Now someone who buys a ton of Hi points, Jennings etc may red flag lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfaith Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Been there done that. It was never an issue. And I'm in the people's Republic of New Yok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaunk Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 Talked with my FFL before he went on vacation. He said he wouldn't do a multiple transfer so I'm stuck waiting. Somewhat disappointing but I got another FFL a friend uses if I want to use them next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vixty Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 This is the first I've heard of this. My FFL tells me that I can buy or transfer as many gun at a time that I want to. I've done two pistols in one day and another two days later. I guess the FFL I use maybe does the paperwork and has no problem doing it or just doesn't know of this rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterthefish Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 This is the first I've heard of this. My FFL tells me that I can buy or transfer as many gun at a time that I want to. I've done two pistols in one day and another two days later. I guess the FFL I use maybe does the paperwork and has no problem doing it or just doesn't know of this rule. Most FFLs don't mind doing this and may not mention it. Those who don't want to may wish to avoid the potential for extra ATF attention or audits. Do a few multiples and you might get a friendly phone call from your local ATF field agent. Do a lot of cheap guns and I'd imagine you'd get more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevoWood123 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 I've been in the industry for 12 years now and as an FFL, we just do the paperwork and don't mention it. Unless you are buying multiples of the same item, or lots of multiple forms regularly (weekly/ monthly), there is no big deal about it. They are trying to catch people who are either A) buying and reselling or trafficing firearms for illegal purposes. As long as you aren't trying to do something illegal, it shouldn't be a big deal even if you did get a call from a field agent. They understand more than they are given credit for; guys buying two of the same gun (compeitive shooters who want a backup, or guy buying one for himself and one as a gift for wife/son/daughter). They've heard that enough times to know that its a regular thing. Guy buying 3 glock 17s one week, 2 more the next week, another multiple form the next month; something like that may be investigated more rigorously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Does this only apply to pistols? I'm thinking come Black Friday / Cyber Monday there are going to be some good deals on stripped/complete AR lowers and I might grab a few for new builds (especially going into an election year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterthefish Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Does this only apply to pistols? I'm thinking come Black Friday / Cyber Monday there are going to be some good deals on stripped/complete AR lowers and I might grab a few for new builds (especially going into an election year). Yes, it's multiple handguns. I remember reading about requiring them on long guns in the Southeast to combat trafficking but not sure what if anything came if it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaunk Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 I've been in the industry for 12 years now and as an FFL, we just do the paperwork and don't mention it. Unless you are buying multiples of the same item, or lots of multiple forms regularly (weekly/ monthly), there is no big deal about it. They are trying to catch people who are either A) buying and reselling or trafficing firearms for illegal purposes. As long as you aren't trying to do something illegal, it shouldn't be a big deal even if you did get a call from a field agent. They understand more than they are given credit for; guys buying two of the same gun (compeitive shooters who want a backup, or guy buying one for himself and one as a gift for wife/son/daughter). They've heard that enough times to know that its a regular thing. Guy buying 3 glock 17s one week, 2 more the next week, another multiple form the next month; something like that may be investigated more rigorously. This made a reasonable amount of sense to me but apparently not to my FFL. I've got 1 more to pick up. Will probably do it today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellymc Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) States that border Mexico have to report muiti sell of semi auto rifles larger then 22lr. I reported multi lowers one time to cover my butt and the ATF called and said not to do so again and mailed the form back to me. Edited October 26, 2015 by kellymc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Neeley Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 As an FFL, the multiple firearms form only applies to handguns and I have multiple customers who buy a couple at a time and it hasn't made any difference in delays. I haven't had anyone do 10 guns at a time, but the number of firearms isn't sent to NICS when I do a background check, only the type (handgun, longgun, and other such as a lower). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slostang Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Also an FFL here, we have a couple of customers who get at least one multiple a month and have been doing it for almost a year now. No issues from BATFE. Only time we had the ATF call to check on a multiple was someone moved in from across the country and shipped their entire gun collection to us. 31 handguns on a multiple form earned a phone call pretty quick. Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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