JimmyZip Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 In the future, I'll just keep these tips to myself, since it's common knowledge to everyone. Pleased don't. Most members of the community appreciate your input. Those that don't can feel free to ignore. Curtis +1 A.T. +1 +200! Bobby, Even here we have those that see the Big Bad Wolf around every corner and who view all with a conspiratorial bent. If they really thought about it, they would probably change their own minds. Who am I kidding, probably not! Thanks Bobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Good thing the local shop just got in 10k Wolf and Freedom Gunworks has them (for now) readily flowing. Guess I'll become part of the hoarding crowd. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgunz11 Posted September 5, 2009 Author Share Posted September 5, 2009 Just to make it clear, I'm not trying to start a buying frenzy, and I don't want a Y2K thing going on, but I felt kind of obligated to share the information with my brotherhood. This is how it shakes down... This past Spring, we didn't see it too bad, because distributors had thousands of primers on hand. Partly because of the election, partly because of industry demand, and partly because of military contracts, those supplies were depleted in short order. Yes, granted, a lot of folks went out and stocked up because of the current political climate, but that's not what is going to hurt us in the coming Spring. Ya see, when things got schnitty in early 2009, distributors were stocked up, now they're not, and they're not going to be. My prediction on the bad component market is minimum 5 more years. I don't have time here to spill out all the beans, and there are lots of politics involved. Just know the 2 power houses have united, ATK and Hodgdon will be working together to fill military contracts, foreign and domestic. On one hand, I don't want our guys making ammo for turd world countries, on the other hand I hope they thin themselves out with the ammo we are sending them. For more scary stuff, go here, and start reading down the list. http://www.defenselink.mil/contracts/ And here some stuff from other places: MINNEAPOLIS --Alliant Techsystems (NYSE: ATK) has received an additional $42 million in small-caliber ammunition orders from the U.S. Army Sustainment Command in Rock Island, Ill.Work on the contracts will be performed by ATK Small Caliber Systems at the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant (LCAAP) in Independence, Mo. The orders are for the production of 5.56mm, 7.62mm and .50-caliber ammunition. ATK began operating the LCAAP in 2000 and is the largest supplier of small-caliber ammunition to the United States military, producing a mix of 5.56mm, 7.62mm, .50-caliber, and 20mm cartridges, as well as ammunition links. Working in partnership with the Army, ATK has expanded manufacturing capacity at the plant and is also under contract to modernize the facility. The company has delivered an overall business total of 1.4 billion rounds of ammunition in Fiscal Year 2009. And read this, pay attention to the ATK items. Keep in mind they Own Federal, Speer, Alliant Powders, RCBS, and much more. http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/?s=ammunition+shortage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchet Jack Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 But when the president ends the war in Iraq and Afghanistan this year - then all that 5.56, 7.62 & .50 will be coming home - er, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgunz11 Posted September 5, 2009 Author Share Posted September 5, 2009 No Sir, the war ended a few years ago. The US, in an effort to promote democracy in Iraq and A'stan, sold the IF M-16's. Of course they had to have ammo for those new rifles and instead of us Fed Ex'ing it all back home, we just let them keep the ammo too. Now we have to build OUR reserves back up. That is part of what is compounding this component shortage. I use to have access to bulk powder in 45 lb kegs from General Dynamics, but not anymore. Hodgdon Powder Company has contracted them to supply their powders and their is an exclusivity contract involved. Now if I want to buy bulk powder from them, I have to purchase it from Hodgdon. Hodgdon and ATK are joining forces to work together presumably on defense contracts, so basically, the biggest kids on the block are now best friends. Is it starting to make sense now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atbarr Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Follow the money. A.T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airic Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 No Sir, the war ended a few years ago. The US, in an effort to promote democracy in Iraq and A'stan, sold the IF M-16's. Of course they had to have ammo for those new rifles and instead of us Fed Ex'ing it all back home, we just let them keep the ammo too. Now we have to build OUR reserves back up. That is part of what is compounding this component shortage. I use to have access to bulk powder in 45 lb kegs from General Dynamics, but not anymore. Hodgdon Powder Company has contracted them to supply their powders and their is an exclusivity contract involved. Now if I want to buy bulk powder from them, I have to purchase it from Hodgdon. Hodgdon and ATK are joining forces to work together presumably on defense contracts, so basically, the biggest kids on the block are now best friends. Is it starting to make sense now? All the Iraqi police and army I saw over there were carrying Wolf Ammo, in Glocks, AK's and M-16/M-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Good thing the local shop just got in 10k Wolf and Freedom Gunworks has them (for now) readily flowing. Guess I'll become part of the hoarding crowd. I just got a batch of Wolf Small Rifle (copper colored) for use in 40S&W and super. Wideners advised the magnum or 223 rifle versions are needed for use in an AR, but I went with the regular rifle for the handguns since I wanted a bit extra cup strength for the super (no need for the extra strength in the 40, but I wanted to standardize on one small primer). I have been very pleased with the quality, and have not experienced any problems with seating or making them go bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogiebb Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 i appreciate the heads up...ill pick up an extra sleeve today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaG Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 It seems that small rifle are availible in places alot more often than small pistol. In a worst case scenario, could SR primers be used in place of SP primers for 9 minor? Just wondering..... DaG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_M Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 It seems that small rifle are availible in places alot more often than small pistol. In a worst case scenario, could SR primers be used in place of SP primers for 9 minor? Just wondering.....DaG Most of the time, yes, I believe so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgunz11 Posted September 6, 2009 Author Share Posted September 6, 2009 I know several folks using CCI Small Rifle primers in their Glocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 I haven't used small pistol primers since around 1998. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flattop Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Do you think that the construction and industrialization in India is causing a metal shortage here to help compound our problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maineshootah Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 It seems that small rifle are availible in places alot more often than small pistol. In a worst case scenario, could SR primers be used in place of SP primers for 9 minor? Just wondering.....DaG Most of the time, yes, I believe so. I used small rifle in minor 9mm, 40, as well as major 9 and 223... one less thing to have to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArvinM Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Hopefully, the person that told you is a salesperson that just want to make a sale right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgunz11 Posted September 7, 2009 Author Share Posted September 7, 2009 I wish I could say he was, but he wasn't. He wasn't able to sell me anything, and that is what started the conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 I wish I could say he was, but he wasn't. He wasn't able to sell me anything, and that is what started the conversation. I see that you are getting a LOT of PMs over this...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgunz11 Posted September 7, 2009 Author Share Posted September 7, 2009 I wish I could say he was, but he wasn't. He wasn't able to sell me anything, and that is what started the conversation. I see that you are getting a LOT of PMs over this...... No Sir, not really. The PM box is full with mag tuning instructions and stuff. I need to go in and clean some of the old stuff out. Email addy is in the sig line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta Noshoot Mike Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I've got about 15k and there is no way that will last with how much I shoot. Although I have slowed a lot lately I need at least 50k to get through the year and that would be cutting my shooting in half. ammoload or camdex ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgunz11 Posted September 8, 2009 Author Share Posted September 8, 2009 1000 primers a week is quite a lot Jim. You must be doing more with them than just shooting them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entropic Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 Cabela's just canceled my backorder of 10k SP primers from June! Bastards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 Yep. Did the same with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgunz11 Posted September 11, 2009 Author Share Posted September 11, 2009 There are small pistol primers available, you just have to know where to look for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 Fear mongerer! Thanks again for the heads up. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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