Greg Q Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Is this legal for Production class if it is the correct position? Thanks, Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sslav Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Is this legal for Production class if it is the correct position?Thanks, Greg I do not see how it could not violate the 2" distance from the edge of the belt rules for the outer mags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spd522 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I took two Uncle Mikes pouches used for my SIG 226 and SA XD-9 and unscrewed the belt loop off one. Then used a longer bolt to put the two together through the center bolt. With a little 2 sided tape between them, they looked like the one in your picture. They made the two inch ruling OK but I found myself sometimes pulling an extra mag out when my finger or thumb would catch the mag base lip of the second mag. I would end up with one in my hand and one on the ground. It's because they are so close together and have to be to make the 2" rule. I went back to the standard method of wearing mag pouches. With SS mags, you can have them spaced a bit farther apart for finger clearance. Personally, I think the CompTac Belt Fed is a better solution. However they're very pricey. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimel Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Lots of folks using them with Single Stacks (SS or L10) but can't recall seeing one in another division. Best bet would be to get one and measure per the rules and see how they land. I've seen a lot of folks with the quads for single stacks pull extra mags and end up leaving them on the ground. In once instance it meant the shooter was scrambling backward trying to find one of the dropped mags so he could finish the course. Not good but probably something that can be overcome with enough dry fire reload practice. I have enough belt for far more mags than I could ever need for a match so I've never considered these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 It depends. The way the rulebook shows how to measure, the inner edge of the magazine is what is taken into consideration. From the outer magazine (Glock) to the Tek-Lok (to the Tek-Lok's side nearer the torso) it is just 2". So if you used it with an inner belt I would say that it is illegal. If you didn't use an inner belt it would be legal. I don't know how the solid loop attachment measures or if they make different pouches for the other doublestack mags. It would be legal if you were shooting a gun that used an SS mag and used the appropriate quad pouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz1911 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 We have a local shooter that ues a quad style pouch that has been measured multiple times and is within the measurements. He has been using it as long as I can remember in production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerba Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 The way the rulebook shows how to measure, the inner edge of the magazine is what is taken into consideration. From the outer magazine (Glock) to the Tek-Lok (to the Tek-Lok's side nearer the torso) it is just 2". So if you used it with an inner belt I would say that it is illegal. If you didn't use an inner belt it would be legal. The rule reads to the "inside of the belt" - so using an inner belt would not matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 We have a local shooter that ues a quad style pouch that has been measured multiple times and is within the measurements. He has been using it as long as I can remember in production. Not the same carrier as the one in question here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 The way the rulebook shows how to measure, the inner edge of the magazine is what is taken into consideration. From the outer magazine (Glock) to the Tek-Lok (to the Tek-Lok's side nearer the torso) it is just 2". So if you used it with an inner belt I would say that it is illegal. If you didn't use an inner belt it would be legal. The rule reads to the "inside of the belt" - so using an inner belt would not matter. Take a look at the 2008 rulebook at appendix E2 page 80. The pictures clearly shows that the width of the inner belt is being taken into account. If you don't use the inner belt... you know some hard-core gamer is gonna use a thick inner belt to skirt the rule (if for some reason they wanted too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 We have a local shooter that ues a quad style pouch that has been measured multiple times and is within the measurements. He has been using it as long as I can remember in production. Not the same carrier as the one in question here. Just to clarify, I'm talking about the Blade-Tech quad pouch. Whose picture appears to be what is in the OP's post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Take a look at the 2008 rulebook at appendix E2 page 80. The pictures clearly shows that the width of the inner belt is being taken into account.If you don't use the inner belt... you know some hard-core gamer is gonna use a thick inner belt to skirt the rule (if for some reason they wanted too). Here's the pic... The mag pouch is on the outer belt. The 1-1/8 measurement is taken from the mag to the inside of the inner belt. Later, Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 It doesn't matter Production or SS or whatever.. they all use the same '2" from inside of the belt' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SA Friday Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I think a bigger issue is consistancy of your reload and having a second mag right there next to each other. I can see a lot of botched reloads and full mags hitting the dirt. IMO, just a bad idea regardless of the rules. Name one M or GM that uses a system like this. I don't know of one, and probably not because of the distance. I don't remember ever seeing these on a M or GM belt with a single stack either and I'm pretty sure this would make the measurement in that division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory_k Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 For production I've always liked the beltfeed from Comp-Tac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Q Posted January 30, 2009 Author Share Posted January 30, 2009 Thanks for all of the replies. I had a customer ask me this question and I wanted to check before I answered him. I have not shot production yet. Thanks, Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 I was reading my Front Sight, May/June 2012, page 5: ... After 12/31/12 there will be new rules on types: no magnetic retention, and each mag must have its own pouch. What does that mean? Does it mean the Blade-Tech Quad pouch is no longer legal in Production next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 I was reading my Front Sight, May/June 2012, page 5: ... After 12/31/12 there will be new rules on types: no magnetic retention, and each mag must have its own pouch. What does that mean? Does it mean the Blade-Tech Quad pouch is no longer legal in Production next year? Nope. Just as legal as they were before (depended on distance from belt). Each mag is individually retained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpa5oh Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 I was reading my Front Sight, May/June 2012, page 5: ... After 12/31/12 there will be new rules on types: no magnetic retention, and each mag must have its own pouch. What does that mean? Does it mean the Blade-Tech Quad pouch is no longer legal in Production next year? Nope. Just as legal as they were before (depended on distance from belt). Each mag is individually retained. "Double" mag pouches (like this: http://shootersconnectionstore.com/CR-Speed-DOUBLE-Versa-Mag-Pouch-P1668.aspx) aren't affected in any way by this new rule, correct? Just that you aren't allowed to have a mag stuck to a magnet, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydiver Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 The rule was intended to make the following illegal: http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/tmc-kydex-molle-spring-loaded-pistol-magazine-carrier.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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