Scoterbeast Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 (edited) Whats the consensus on the Caspian Race Ready frame with the integral mag well. Looking at a .40 build for USPSA Single Stack div. Only experience is with the S&A magwell. See lots of threads on different magwells available today. Anyone have experience with this frame?? Bill Boy! Lots of info in short time. Thanks to everyone. Like Skip said, with the size of new magwells (that are legal) starting to look like LImited 8 Edited December 19, 2008 by Scoterbeast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolex Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Had one years ago- G. Smith had built me 4 guns. All had that mag well, worked very well and had clean lines! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 I've practiced with mine with the big magwell removed and loads are just as good. The integral well and shape of the mags work MUCH better than my Para with the S&A magwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireant Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 I have a Trojan with an S&A magwell and a caspian race ready single stack. I can reload the race ready caspian much faster. I think the only issue is making sure you get the weight down, but that is not hard at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve J Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Page 77 of the rule book. Special conditions: — Only 1911 production type pistols. Must be available to the general public and have their basis in the original 1911 service pistol as designed by John M. Browning. Pistols made from components that duplicate the factory originals are acceptable. Frames must be metal. Show me a factory original 1911 that uses the race ready frame. I don't know of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Page 77 of the rule book.Special conditions: — Only 1911 production type pistols. Must be available to the general public and have their basis in the original 1911 service pistol as designed by John M. Browning. Pistols made from components that duplicate the factory originals are acceptable. Frames must be metal. Show me a factory original 1911 that uses the race ready frame. I don't know of one. Steve, I think Gary ruled on this one already. The race ready just takes a magwell and combines it to the frame instead of buying one and installing it. Its really no different than welding on a magwell. With that said my magwell choice changes like my mood so I pick the standard frames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 I think Gary commented on that. Was it his opinion that it was a go or a no-go ? Maybe a search is in order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Caspian frame legal? I think Gary commented on that. Was it his opinion that it was a go or a no-go ? Maybe a search is in order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasmap Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 As stated below...Production "TYPE". It does not say PRODUCTION but production TYPE. It is available to the general public, it has a basis on the original 1911 and Caspian produces components so I can only assume that their components are from the factory and are therefore factory original. Page 77 of the rule book.Special conditions: — Only 1911 production type pistols. Must be available to the general public and have their basis in the original 1911 service pistol as designed by John M. Browning. Pistols made from components that duplicate the factory originals are acceptable. Frames must be metal. Show me a factory original 1911 that uses the race ready frame. I don't know of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve J Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 As stated below...Production "TYPE". It does not say PRODUCTION but production TYPE. It is available to the general public, it has a basis on the original 1911 and Caspian produces components so I can only assume that their components are from the factory and are therefore factory original.Page 77 of the rule book.Special conditions: — Only 1911 production type pistols. Must be available to the general public and have their basis in the original 1911 service pistol as designed by John M. Browning. Pistols made from components that duplicate the factory originals are acceptable. Frames must be metal. Show me a factory original 1911 that uses the race ready frame. I don't know of one. That's stretching it. Show me any 1911 production type pistol from any factory and I'll show you a frame that does not have an integral magwell. Now if the powers that be decide to say "it sort of duplicates factory pistols that come with a detachable magwell" so be it, but there is no NROI ruling. Novak makes a frame with an integral backstrap that eliminates the grip safety. Is that legal too. I don't think anyone would try to say that it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 As stated below...Production "TYPE". It does not say PRODUCTION but production TYPE. It is available to the general public, it has a basis on the original 1911 and Caspian produces components so I can only assume that their components are from the factory and are therefore factory original.Page 77 of the rule book.Special conditions: — Only 1911 production type pistols. Must be available to the general public and have their basis in the original 1911 service pistol as designed by John M. Browning. Pistols made from components that duplicate the factory originals are acceptable. Frames must be metal. Show me a factory original 1911 that uses the race ready frame. I don't know of one. That's stretching it. Show me any 1911 production type pistol from any factory and I'll show you a frame that does not have an integral magwell. Now if the powers that be decide to say "it sort of duplicates factory pistols that come with a detachable magwell" so be it, but there is no NROI ruling. Novak makes a frame with an integral backstrap that eliminates the grip safety. Is that legal too. I don't think anyone would try to say that it is. Steve... You're just a ah ah ah ... Purist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Novak makes a frame with an integral backstrap that eliminates the grip safety. Is that legal too. I don't think anyone would try to say that it is. Legal. I asked Amidon a while back.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve J Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 (edited) Novak makes a frame with an integral backstrap that eliminates the grip safety. Is that legal too. I don't think anyone would try to say that it is. Legal. I asked Amidon a while back.... Edited December 18, 2008 by Steve J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 (edited) Hello: Wow, I am sure glad they are legal since I am going to build a Caspian Race Ready in 40 for single stack. How about a single stack with no magwell at all, No that is just crazy talk now I like the idea of fitting the box and making the weight. I just wish they would allow you to do some nice slide cuts as well. Do a search and take a look at Larry White's Caspian Race ready. That is a great looking pistol. Thanks, Eric Edited December 19, 2008 by Flexmoney add link to Larry's Casper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Burtchell Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 (edited) Matt, Can you change my build to a Caspian Race Ready Frame with no intergral grip safety. You know Steve is the Match Director at most of the local matches I shoot. Just giving you a hard time, Steve. Edited December 18, 2008 by baerburtchell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Novak makes a frame with an integral backstrap that eliminates the grip safety. Is that legal too. I don't think anyone would try to say that it is. Legal. I asked Amidon a while back.... Reasoning: You can pin a grip safety --> You can weld them together to accomplish the pinning --> why not make them from one piece in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Which is exactly the same reasoning as the race-ready magwell. You can use a weld on magwell, so why not a frame made with an integral one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve J Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 "uncle" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 I like the race ready frame but... I do think that it is harder to get your mag base pad extensions (on the front of the basepad ...just the right length..to keep them from over inserting. The race ready does not have the little flat spot on the front of the frame that you can trim the front of the base pad extension to hit on and stop the mag from going into the well too far. The race ready can let the mag cam backwards and go in further if you slam the sh*t out of it.. locking your gun up. Just my opinion.... worth .02 I am sure. I'm taking mine out the door right now to Thursday night indoor IDPA here in Brownsville TX... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Having played with both, I have a S&A on my gun, and will on my new build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Burtchell Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Having played with both, I have a S&A on my gun, and will on my new build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve J Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Having played with both, I have a S&A on my gun, and will on my new build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Having played with both, I have a S&A on my gun, and will on my new build. I do like to go fast, but on a 1911, I just can't not have it look good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadShot Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Hey Bill, I decided not to go with 1 on my Caspian because if they decided that they are not legal, you are hosed. I doubt if they would ever do that, but you never know. Either way, you'll end up with a really nice toy. Welcome to Limited8... Skip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drglock Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 I like the race ready frame but... I do think that it is harder to get your mag base pad extensions (on the front of the basepad ...just the right length..to keep them from over inserting. The race ready does not have the little flat spot on the front of the frame that you can trim the front of the base pad extension to hit on and stop the mag from going into the well too far. The race ready can let the mag cam backwards and go in further if you slam the sh*t out of it.. locking your gun up.Just my opinion.... worth .02 I am sure. I'm taking mine out the door right now to Thursday night indoor IDPA here in Brownsville TX... Thats a long drive for a night IDPA match I used to live in Alice and my grandparents lived in La Glora sure miss that part of the country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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